how much would it cost to drive hd600?

Apr 29, 2009 at 10:14 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 43

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Hello all, I've been wanting to get an hd600 but I don't think I have the equipment to drive it. So, I wanted to ask what is the minimum amount I would have to spend on an amp that could drive the hd600 properly. I am currently using an hd555 and denon d1001 out of my xonar dx soundcard. I also have a ~15 year old technics receiver. From what I've read, I doubt neither will be able to drive the hd600.
Please keep in mind that I want to spend as little as possible, I will probably have to sell my hd555 and d1001 in order to fund this purchase (yes I've heard about the wallet, I've been lurking here for many months now
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). Oh by the way, I live in Canada, so I will have to multiply the cost of whatever equipment you guys suggest by 38957652.323 times
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Apr 29, 2009 at 10:23 PM Post #2 of 43
Well, fwih the m3 does a fantastic jobn with the HD600 and can be had for $350 built by rockhopper audio. The gilmore lite would also be a popular choice (I believe it also costs around $250).

However to get ther full potential, you'll also want an external dac. In my opinion the source is the most important part of the system (though i'm not aware of the quality of the xonar dx soundcard).
 
Apr 29, 2009 at 10:52 PM Post #3 of 43
a used gilmore lite would probably be 250-300, a new one from headamp is $400.

you could try your old technics receiver too, if you're lucky it may do a decent job.
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Apr 29, 2009 at 10:57 PM Post #4 of 43
if you are looking for a decent but fairly cheap DAC look into the one by hot-audio on ebay. definitely not bad, and much better sounding than my PC audio output.
 
Apr 29, 2009 at 11:09 PM Post #5 of 43
It depends on what you mean by driven well. You can get a lot out of them with a $2-300 solid state amp such as the CK2III, M^3, or Gilmore Lite. Look at the SS DIY offerings, because DIY gives you a lot more for the money than anything else.
 
Apr 29, 2009 at 11:32 PM Post #6 of 43
Antique Sound Lab OTL MKIII, perfect for hd600~ retails for 500 right now.
 
Apr 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM Post #8 of 43
Wow, I am surprised that people have neglected "minimum amount"...

I would say try out the Creek OBH-11 amp. You can pick one up for quite cheap, usually about $100. That is the amp I started off on, it is really a great bang for the buck amp. Its downside that it is a little bright and cold, but with an HD600, you probably will be fine.
 
Apr 30, 2009 at 12:08 AM Post #9 of 43
I'd go with one of the solid state offerings from $300-$500. The Gilmore Lite/Dynalo, M^3, CK2III, and EC/SS will all do a terrific job. Tubes cost more; don't bother with the cheap tube amps. The cost factor with tubes stems from the necessity of using quality transformers - you don't want a cheap one. The laminations and windings are important. Those take quality copper and iron - commodity prices for those are similar the world over and those costs are higher than labor. Don't think a transformer from somewhere with cheap labor is cheap because of that, it's cheap because they skimped on the raw ingredients. You're better off buying from a name brand.

The difference is that tubes need high voltage to run. 300V is common, so are higher voltages. To get line voltage up there, you need some serious transformers. And you have to pay for the raw materials to do that. Aside from that, tubes run hotter (generally speaking) than solid state, so a bit more work has to be done with the casing. Every hole drilled adds cost.

So a quality tube amp will cost more. Solid state will run off 12V-16V or so and the chips tend to have lots of filtering and regulation (I'm not as up on solid state design, so someone correct me if I'm wrong) on board, so you can get away with inexpensive wallwart transformers. Tube amps need a big power transformer, often a separate filament transformer, and the good designs use chokes to filter the power some more. The cost of those really adds up - you can easily spend $200 on the transformers alone for tubes, while a good wallwart for solid state can be had for $40.

Anyhow, solid state is your friend if you want high quality at a low price. There are a lot of confirmed tubeheads here (I am) and chips don't glow in the dark. They can, however, sound really good. You're better off with a $300 solid state amp than a $300 tube amp.

If you really want to save money, gather parts for a DIY amp yourself. That's easy and you can spread out the purchases over time. You can also scrounge and repurpose a case from something else. You can learn more in the DIY Forum. Cases are expensive, but you can hunt one down yourself for $5 or $10. When you get everything together, negotiate with a builder and send everything off. If the builder doesn't have to source everything, it'll save him lots of time and you lots of money.

Another option is to look for a used amp. You'll see them in the For Sale Forum. That's a good way to go because 99% of the time the seller is upgrading or selling something that's been unused. Unlike cars, people don't usually sell their problems here.

And after all that, I'd say give your receiver a shot. Some work great and you might have one that does. At the least, get the HD-600 (I love mine) and use the receiver while you do your homework and learn more about amps. You don't have to buy immediately, no matter how tempting it seems. Hold off and read up before you buy.
 
Apr 30, 2009 at 12:14 AM Post #10 of 43
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Unlike cars, people don't usually sell their problems here.


Those damn cars, always trying to pawn off broken headphones...

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I've never had a problem with the FS forum. I've bought four things and sold two. People are generally great to deal with, and once you get a taste of the bargains, you'll never buy new again.
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ESPECIALLY if you're Canadian. The for sale forum is the best thing to ever happen to Canadian Audiophiles... 110 CAD for AD700s versus ~210 CAD new.
 
Apr 30, 2009 at 12:15 AM Post #11 of 43
Allow me to throw in the Audio-gd C2C here. Going by my own experiences and Skylab's review, if you get a solid state amp in a similar price range, down the track if you buy a better source, the C2C and similar amps will scale up to the higher sound quality.
 
Apr 30, 2009 at 12:39 AM Post #12 of 43
Responce directly to OP:

I have used HD600 with pleasant results (better than either headphone you are listing) straight out of the headphone jack of Trekstor Vibez player (one of the weaker players on the market, 12 mW output).

So strictly speaking, you can listen and enjoy it with what you have at hand, and get rid of both other things you have. From there on - you can do lots of things, and you can see plenty of recommendations of what would be a nice starting investment in an amplifier (Gilmore Lite is probably the best suggestion of the bunch).
 
Apr 30, 2009 at 12:43 AM Post #13 of 43
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Wow, I am surprised that people have neglected "minimum amount"...

I would say try out the Creek OBH-11 amp. You can pick one up for quite cheap, usually about $100. That is the amp I started off on, it is really a great bang for the buck amp. Its downside that it is a little bright and cold, but with an HD600, you probably will be fine.



agreed. i have tried this combo. the xonar dx is a very sweet sounding card and shouldnt be put aside. the creek does do a fine job on those senns. about 100$ like he said -sometimes less if your lucky!
 
Apr 30, 2009 at 1:03 AM Post #14 of 43
I'm driving mine right now with the hotaudio portable "raging moose" amp. The sound *quality* easily matches my AD900s (unamped, as they don't really need an amp). The volume maxes out a little sooner on the senns, but only like about 3-5% reduction, I would say -- which is probably a good thing, as I can't listen that loud anyway, and it would probably do a little damage.
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These would undoubtedly open up more and show their true potential with a more powerful amp, but I think it's a myth that you have to spend $300-500+ to drive these to at least a minimally satisfactory level. $100 hotaudio, or the creek, etc. would drive them well enough until you can invest in something better.

btw, Dave (hotaudio.com) is a canadian DIYer, so if you are in canada that is another strong reason to consider his stuff. I'm using his DAC, too, it's good bang for the buck.
 
Apr 30, 2009 at 1:21 AM Post #15 of 43
Wow, thank you guys for the massive amount of suggestions already. I've also been thinking about the hd580, but it seems as time goes on, it gets harder and harder to find. Right now, the Creek OBH-11 seems like my best choice, I think my rough budget estimate would be sub $200CAD for the amp. Oh, my receiver is a Technics SA-GX490, if that helps.
Sorry for my noobness, but what exactly does a DAC do?
 

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