How durable can a decent cans be?
Nov 10, 2016 at 4:59 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 15

paraphn

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Greetings! 
I'm no audiophile and my favourite cans are ATH-M50x's, but i hate how flimsy they are. I've heard a lot of people say how durable sturdy they are, but they have astoundishingly stupid construction of hinges with critical section of like 2 square mm of cheap plastic. And yeah, it broke after a year of calm everyday use. Damn, even Sennheiser HD220 were sturdier than this.
So i'm on a quest to find most durable (but still listenable) pair.
I looked at Beyerdinamic DT770 (32 ohm version) and loved their constuction, simple and sturdy, like an AK, but highs on them are too loud and too **** to my taste.
Focus Listen — kinda ok, but doesn't look durable.
Shure SRH840 — beautifull sound, but they say those hinges do crack
Sony MDR-1A — built like crap, sounds like crap, looks like toy.
Yamaha HPH-MT220 — didn't listen to them yet, but friend of mine said they sound just a tiny bit different from M50, and i believe him. Although i don't know how durable they are.
 
I'm ok with spending some more cash on a pair of cans that can last for ages, but it looks like when they get higher in price they just start to have neodimium drivers and iridium-plated wires in a same cheap-ass plastic body.
 
Does anyone know what over-ear headphones will last more than a couple years of everyday listening music on a way home?
 
Nov 20, 2016 at 6:14 PM Post #5 of 15
ya think? well, maybe i should try them. I avoided them mainly because they look too cool to sound good. I was afraid that they are made for hipster bassheads and not for music.
 
Nov 20, 2016 at 6:31 PM Post #6 of 15
  I was afraid that they are made for hipster bassheads and not for music.

 
Not at all. But if you like the M50's sound, they might be too soft and mellow.
 
I want to say the HD 25, but depending on how macho your ears are, you might consider them to be a torture device.
 
Honestly though, just take better care of your headphones.
 
Nov 21, 2016 at 4:34 PM Post #7 of 15
Honestly though, just take better care of your headphones.

do you want to know how i broke my m50's? i put them on. i did not sit on them, did not fall on them or with them, i just placed them on my head from my neck using two hands while being sober and standing strait with no wind and at room temperature.
and those buttheads call it durable? for studio use? hoooow?! and most frustrating thing for me is that design-wise it is amazingly simple to avoid: just make the damn critical section thicker! you can use less material on other parts you can even make a headband out of plastic and it stil will be more durable. I. Just. Don't. Get it. How drunk should an engineer be to design those hinges?
Just look at those things!

I highlighted with red the critical section that holds everything. The little point where all the stress of the clamping force applied at it's highest. Everything else is just decoration that does nothing but looks cool. Whoever designed this piece of intelligence should get a house or a car or a plane designed with the same philosophy.
 
Nov 21, 2016 at 5:15 PM Post #9 of 15
  do you want to know how i broke my m50's? i put them on.

 
I'm honestly not even surprised. A lot of "studio" headphones break (usually their hinges) that way. Though something like the V6/7506 and 770 usually have to do with the exposed cable being yanked, pushed and/or severed.
 
Perhaps your pair is the 1% that is pretty much destined to fail / contain a weaker plastic on the hinge assembly.
 
Have you contacted AT for a repair?
 
Nov 21, 2016 at 5:38 PM Post #10 of 15
 do you want to know how i broke my m50's? i put them on.

I'm honestly not even surprised. A lot of "studio" headphones break (usually their hinges) that way. 

so how do I take better care? by not putting them on? XD
V6/7506 and 770 usually have to do with the exposed cable being yanked, pushed and/or severed.

it's a lot simplier to solder a new cable that to make a new hinge.
 
 Have you contacted AT for a repair?

 
Nov 21, 2016 at 5:45 PM Post #11 of 15
uhm, is there a word limit? why is that? i thought it's a forum, not a twitter.
 
anyway
 Have you contacted AT for a repair?

not yet. i'm trying to compose a letter which contains no profanity but explains my issue and failing again and again (and also i live in a bumhole of hell, so it's a lot easier to buy new pair than send an old one to repair)
but i will contact them. i promise. oh, i will.
 
have you tried audiotechnica msr7?

I think i did, but i'm not sure. I'll give the another try, i like the way they do not fold.
 
Nov 21, 2016 at 6:02 PM Post #12 of 15
  uhm, is there a word limit? why is that? i thought it's a forum, not a twitter.

 
Low post count yo.
 
  so how do I take better care? by not putting them on? XD

 
Well... that's one way of no breaking them. 
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Just be more gentle. The first (and only, I guess) headphone I broke was due to hastily putting them on. Knew someone who cracked their HD 600's headband that way too. There's also the numerous amount of cracked 650s and various 5xx series headphones in the internet. People don't call them "snapheiser" for nothing.
 
But back to closed over-ears, there's the DT 150. But they maybe hard to find in-stores to demo... and they're pretty much strictly for home/studio use...
 
Nov 29, 2016 at 11:30 AM Post #13 of 15
 
But back to closed over-ears, there's the DT 150. But they maybe hard to find in-stores to demo...

Nah, they're too high impedance. My tiny fiio will not handle it.
 
  have you tried audiotechnica msr7?

yup, tried them. now it's a mystery for me, how people can tell that msr7 are way better than m50. some cymbals in them sound like low bitrate mp3's. just painfull to listen. May it is that "you've got to burn them up before listening"-crap, that i never believed, dunno.
 
also I listened to Roland RH-300 and dayumn they are clean. every tiny bit of sound is there and easily recognisable. they are too boring on the bass side, but damn, beautiful cans. If only there were any headphones with like RH-300's highs and M50's lows I would be sooooo happy.
 
I also heard Beyerdinamic Custom One Pro (what a crappy way to name a product), and although they don't have this painfully peaking highs as 770 or 880, they sound actually worse. But djustable bassreflex is very nice touch, i liked it. May be someday they will come up with Custom Two Extra VIP Elite Audiophile, that will actually sound good.
 
now i'm up to listen to German Maestro GMP 8.35 D, but i don't really have any hope in them. they're too cheap to be good.
looks like i'll end up buying new pair of m50x and a couple of semi-broken used m50's for replacement parts.
 
  I tink you would enjoy both the sound and build of the Sennheiser Momentum Over-ear.

I tried Momentums, and just did not like them at all. Overall poor quality of every aspect of sound. Build quality's nice though.
 
I dunno, may be it's time to blame my player (it's Fiio X1), because I did not like Sony MDR7520, B&W P7, and even Oppo PM-3 (although oppo's are not bad sounding, they just don't sound any better than m50. V-moda m-100 sound better in some applications, RH-300 waay better than m50 for some other things, and oppo's just meh). But Meze headphones imho are awesome in every aspect. But they look like funking rollex, and i don't have bodyguards.
 
Nov 30, 2016 at 10:54 AM Post #14 of 15
  Nah, they're too high impedance. My tiny fiio will not handle it.

The X1 is a decent portable player that can handle many headphones. It could (just barely) power the 600 Ohm Beyerdynamic T1 I used to have to a listenable level. I think it would not be easy driving the DT 150, but I wouldn't say directly that the X1 can't do it.
 
 
 
yup, tried them. now it's a mystery for me, how people can tell that msr7 are way better than m50. some cymbals in them sound like low bitrate mp3's. just painfull to listen. May it is that "you've got to burn them up before listening"-crap, that i never believed, dunno.

I wouldn't put them into a bonfire, if I were you. Jokes aside, the so called burn-in has been measured in different cases, but it is still a topic of debate, as the tests haven't been repeated and confirmed yet as far as I know. Besides that, the measured differences were not night and day differences.
 
What I think you hear is the sibilance in the recording. The MSR7 might be more sensitive to these errors in the source than the M50x. I haven't heard them side by side or heard them long enough to say that for sure.
 
 
also I listened to Roland RH-300 and dayumn they are clean. every tiny bit of sound is there and easily recognisable. they are too boring on the bass side, but damn, beautiful cans. If only there were any headphones with like RH-300's highs and M50's lows I would be sooooo happy.

So a headphone with somewhat boomy bass and great treble that is durable and can be driven with an X1... Let me think about it for a bit. I'll come back to this.
 
 
I tried Momentums, and just did not like them at all. Overall poor quality of every aspect of sound. Build quality's nice though.
 
I dunno, may be it's time to blame my player (it's Fiio X1), because I did not like Sony MDR7520, B&W P7, and even Oppo PM-3 (although oppo's are not bad sounding, they just don't sound any better than m50. V-moda m-100 sound better in some applications, RH-300 waay better than m50 for some other things, and oppo's just meh). But Meze headphones imho are awesome in every aspect. But they look like funking rollex, and i don't have bodyguards.

I am not a fan of the Momentums myself, but I thought you might appreciate it's bass. Apparently I was wrong. You probably simply like the sound signature of the M50x very much. That is understandable. Even if you buy a very expensive headphone everyone praises, if you don't like it, it's no good. I know someone who prefers his Koss KSC75 to his Sennheiser HD800 for music listening.
 
As I said before, the X1 is very capable. I don't think the problem lies there. There are better DAPs, but different headphones should normally make a much larger difference.
 
I said I would go back to give you advice about other headphones, but I think I am in no position to do so, as I am now even more puzzled about how you experience sound than I was at the beginning. All I can say is listen before you buy, or get your product with a good return policy. Good luck finding the right headphone.
 
Nov 30, 2016 at 11:52 AM Post #15 of 15
 
I am not a fan of the Momentums myself, but I thought you might appreciate it's bass. Apparently I was wrong. You probably simply like the sound signature of the M50x very much. That is understandable. Even if you buy a very expensive headphone everyone praises, if you don't like it, it's no good. I know someone who prefers his Koss KSC75 to his Sennheiser HD800 for music listening.

WHAT?! My goodness...
I sincerely couldn't find a single good feature on both Koss Porta PRO and KSC75; how could one of those beat a HD800? Definitely audio is either pretty subjective or that person is quite biased hahaha.
 

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