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Headphoneus Supremus
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[1] hey kid, I provided a link to a study that proves people can hear differences in cables so please stop talking to me, [2] you are delusional or ignoring the plain fact that you are wrong.
1. You did not provide a link to a study and it did not prove people can hear differences. This is the science forum, don't you know the difference between a scientific study and just getting a bunch of people in a room and asking what sounds better? You are the one who brought up "Science 101" when it suited you but since then all you've done is contradict or pervert science 101.
2. What "Science 101" did you learn which indicates hypocrisy is a valid argument? Again, did you not notice this is the Sound Science forum? Just accusing others of EXACTLY what you are guilty of does not "cut it" here, it just makes you look foolish, a troll or both!
[1] Don’t we all should close this thread? No winner or loser here.
[2] It needs a very good system to hear the difference in cables, if your set up is under $2000,forget it and stop debating
1. Apparently we should not close this thread, if the conclusion you've arrived at is that there's "No winner or loser here"!
2. Maybe we should close the thread though, because we're just going round in circles: Some audiophile states they can clearly hear the difference between cables and those who can't have either a poor system, poor hearing or both. We then spend a few pages demonstrating how utterly ridiculous that argument is: Those with the best, most expensive systems and most finely tuned listening abilities (top commercial studios and the engineers who work in them) do NOT use audiophile cables because there is no audible difference PLUS, the actual measurements and science/engineering prove there is no audible difference. Against all the decades of evidence, said audiophile has absolutely no reliable evidence WHATSOEVER, just some nonsense theories based on magical properties inspired by marketing pseudo-science. Said audiophile eventually get's all stroppy, quotes even more marketing nonsense, makes-up outright lies, soaks everything in a thick dripping layer of hypocrisy, usually ends up insulting anyone who doesn't accept their nonsense and goes off in a huff. What happens next? .... Another audiophile comes along, posts that they can clearly hear the difference between cables and those who can't have either a poor system, poor hearing or both! I understand that many audiophiles are so suckered by the marketing pseudo-science and their own listening biases that they find it difficult/impossible to accept the actual facts, but does being an audiophile "cable believer" also mean that you can't go back a few pages in the thread and read the exact same argument you're wanting to post has already been posted (and shown to be ridiculous nonsense)?
Open-minded people, like for example certain newcomers may interpret expressions like that as the only truth.
When you look out of your bedroom window, do you see the Earth as a sphere or does it look essentially flat? Why then do so few people actually believe that the Earth is flat? ... It's because; most people are aware of the decades of overwhelming evidence and accept the demonstrated science, even to the point of assuming those who believe the Earth is flat must be "nutters". So, two questions for you:
1. Are you open-minded that the Earth is flat?
2. If not why not?
Again, we are going round in circles. I've asked these two questions of audiophile "cable believers" in this thread before and they NEVER answer. My answers are:
1. No.
2. Because there's absolutely no reliable evidence to support the idea but overwhelming reliable evidence against it, plus the knowledge and predictions of science.
Same with "audiophile cables": 1. Are you open-minded that audiophile cables make an audible difference? 2 If not, why not? Here's my answers:
1. No.
2. Because there's absolutely no reliable evidence to support the idea but overwhelming reliable evidence against it, plus the knowledge and predictions of science.
Where's the difference? The only difference I can see, is that audiophile "cable believers" may not be aware of the "overwhelming reliable evidence, plus the knowledge and predictions of science". If they are aware of it, how are they different to those who believe the Earth is flat?
Finally, we return yet again, to the point about hypocrisy: Why are we supposed to be "open-minded" about something for which there is so much overwhelming evidence that it's not rational to be open-minded but audiophiles don't have to be open-minded to all the overwhelming reliable evidence?
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