High-End Open Headphones

Dec 28, 2008 at 5:34 AM Post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by SoliloCey /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Yeah I know about the amps, its no good buying a ferrari and then sticking a V6 to drive it when it needs a V12. I was thinking of getting the Corda Cantate to drive the amplified ones.

Im a young adolescent, so I listen to Underground Hip-Hop, Jazz, Soul, funk, Indie and classical respectively. I've heard good things about the AKG but I heard the bass is lacking, is it? how is it like? I don't like the phones to be overly bassy like the D770's.

I actually did ask whether the AKG K702,or HD600's with an amp invested would really be worth my time or not, in comparison o unamped phones. for the $$.

thanks.



I havent heard many of the phones you are tossing around but I do own the 701s so maybe I can help you out with some SQ questions.
The midrange is liquid smooth with the 701s, the highs are detailed, sparkly, and airy, and they have an abundance of decay to them, something some people like and others dislike, to each their own. The bass is always said to be "lacking" but IME the bass is very extended, detailed, and controlled. I recently switched from a headroom micro amp to a custom built millett max and wow, I have no complaints in the bass department, there is punch, depth, and texture to it. As for soundstage, wow, the 701 has a huge soundstage, in depth, width, and height.
Some will comment that the 701 sounds analytical and I would say that it is very detailed and at least with the Headroom micro it was a bit dry, with the millett max (which is a tube solid state hybrid) it sounds quite full and musical.
As for genres, I listen to a bit of rap/hip-hop like ice cube, dre, and jay-z, some long beach ska fusion like sublime and slightly stoopid, some reggae, i.e. all the marleys, a lot of jazz such as krall and cole, a lot of metal like all that remains and b4mv, and a bit of alternative/rock type stuff like nickelback and offspring. Let me say it handles them all quite well. I would say it excels on very well recorded rap, jazz, and reggae. Stuff like metal sounds good, the kick has punch and the cymbals are very realistic, guitars are very textured and vocals are emotional and have a lot of range but the sound is not very forward, making them a bit less engaging for stuff like metal and rock. If you are a basshead I would not recommend the 701s, but if you enjoy detailed, well extended, punchy bass, I would highly recommend giving the 701s a listen.
The 701s definitely need a dedicated amp. Small amps like the headroom micro dont cut it; at all. The switch from my little amp to the millett is night and day, the sound benefited all around, especially the bass.
Also, you may want to think about DACs, IME changing from the headroom micro dac to the headroom ultra micro dac with the astrodyne power supply offered quite a difference also, particularly in texture and making the sound more organic and full. With these cans, I would say do the amp first then the dac. Also keep in mind, they need a lot of burn in to really settle in and start sounding golden.
Good Luck,
Dave
 
Dec 28, 2008 at 5:57 AM Post #17 of 28
wait whats the difference between a DAC and an AMP I was told they're roughly the same thing. sorry but Im a complete noob to this aspect. I was thinking the Meier Audio Corda cantate would be enough to drive any of these phones, what about the STAX SR404's? can they drive from this kind of amp, and how do they perform? Bassy? high trebles?

I can't really audition STAX's anywhere I live...
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but the HD600's, and K701's shouldn't be a problem. Like I say I know an amp is important to drive the cans, but how much am I looking for amp to drive them? if its too much, then I'll stick to my unamped. are the RS-1's unamped? i assume so since i read from a journalist they saw someone on the plane use them.
 
Dec 28, 2008 at 7:21 AM Post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by SoliloCey /img/forum/go_quote.gif
And so were the A900's... I already own a closed, so I plan to get an open set.


Oright get the nice HD 600s hehe or the semi open BeyerDynamics DT880.
 
Dec 28, 2008 at 7:22 AM Post #19 of 28
Hehe V6 twin Turbo aftermarket with 800Horses sure can beat an Ferrari V12 (620HP) anyday.
 
Dec 31, 2008 at 9:42 AM Post #20 of 28
Ok after more research, and consideration. I am looking more towards the amplified headphones, Im hoping the sound is that much better in comparison.

yeah Can I ask about the DT880's how comfortable are they? they look ok I guess.
 
Dec 31, 2008 at 10:47 AM Post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by SoliloCey /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Ok after more research, and consideration. I am looking more towards the amplified headphones, Im hoping the sound is that much better in comparison.

yeah Can I ask about the DT880's how comfortable are they? they look ok I guess.



They are very comfortable. I can wear them for many hours without need to take break. No sweating, no pain from headband. My ears are bigger than average so they touch earpads a bit but material is so nice that you won't feel uncomfortable. SQ wise be prepared that they are very bright (I solved it with EQ).
 
Dec 31, 2008 at 3:09 PM Post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by chaozh /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I don't like anyone in your list.


Ok, but why? If you explain what you think they lack, your post might actually help the op.
 
Dec 31, 2008 at 6:18 PM Post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by SoliloCey /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Just curious, cause I've heard the mid-range isn't very good in STAX models but are STAX SR404's worth considering, Will i need a better more $$ amp to drive them in comparison to the K701/2's?

thanks.



Wh-wh-what?
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Whoever told you that is off their rocker. It's actually the diametric opposite... Stax are famous for their lush midrange. As far as needing a better amp, you will definitely need a different amp; you can't use amps for dynamic cans on electrostatic cans.
 
Dec 31, 2008 at 6:28 PM Post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by earwicker7 /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Wh-wh-what?
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Whoever told you that is off their rocker. It's actually the diametric opposite... Stax are famous for their lush midrange. As far as needing a better amp, you will definitely need a different amp; you can't use amps for dynamic cans on electrostatic cans.



I just read that they're very thin in the mids...

Yeah I was looking round, is the SRM-310, and SRM-252II suitable for the 303's by chance, will look at the STAX threads some more...
 
Dec 31, 2008 at 6:55 PM Post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by SoliloCey /img/forum/go_quote.gif
Just curious, cause I've heard the mid-range isn't very good in STAX models but are STAX SR404's worth considering, Will i need a better more $$ amp to drive them in comparison to the K701/2's?


You obviously don't have a trusty source of information.
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Cause the midrange are one of the electrostatic headphones fortè.

Regarding amplifier. They need a transparent and quite powerful amplifier to shine, but so do the K701 (never heard the K702). Price wise about the same I would say, $500+
 
Dec 31, 2008 at 10:00 PM Post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by SoliloCey /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I just read that they're very thin in the mids...


Nope. Tell your source to lay off the crack pipe
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. He's basically saying the audio equivalent of "Ferraris are known for their low acceleration."

They can be a little thin on the bass end (although the Omega2 do a pretty damned good job) but they absolutely are not even close to being thin on the mids. Mids are what electrostatics are famous for.
 
Jan 9, 2009 at 5:22 PM Post #28 of 28
right i tried the MS-2 and MS-Pros at my store yesterday along with the W1000's i wasnt very impressed I was expecting t be on cloud 9, the bowl pads got on y nerves and felt uncomfortable. I want to ask how the HD650, and AKG compare, as well as the SR303's to the Pro's?

Im thinking of doing this:-

Cambridge C540 V2->Stax SRM1/mk2->SR 303
Cambridge same model->Cantate->K701
Cambridge same model->Cantate-> MS-Pro
cambridge same model->Cantate-H> D650

anyone?got any ideas
 

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