I will say nothing more than this thread is win. Well, ok, seriously, the discussion has people chiming in with some good posts. (Click on the blue arrow to go to the first post, if you didn't already know.) Quote: Originally Posted by Crazy*Carl /img/forum/go_quote.gif Here at head-fi I was misleaded into thinking that headphones like the Sennheiser HD600, AKG k701, or other moderately high end cans need a expensive amp and source to sound good, and that without them they are not worth getting. I found this was not true at all. The sound I get out of my HD580 is significantly better than anything else I have heard even right out of an ipod. Also, I am of the believe that this range of headphones ($250-500)will sound better than a $100-150 pair of headphones with a $200 amp and dac. I am not here so say amps are useless, rather say the best way about going this hobby is to start with reference headphones, then going to an amp. Ive heard things like, the HD600 are weak and boring without an $300 + amp, and this is not true. Thoughts? Agree/Disagree?