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Makes sense to me.
Have you heard of this amp? I wonder how it
Would pair with Susvara?

https://www.thesoundadvocate.com/2021/09/boenicke-p1-power-amplifier-full-review/

I have an Enleum amp 23-R ordered and Soo In is very excited about the new upgraded performance. Still can’t figure out if the 23-R is a headphone amp or speaker amp. “I actually got the final prototype here in San Jose a couple weeks ago, and I have to say it’s amazing and much upgraded from the old AMP-13R especially in bass range (more extended and defined), as well as it provides quieter background. I don’t think we can do any better than this for a long time, and this is most likely our end-game compact amplifier” He seems earnest and I know that he believes this to be true. I would love to stop this quest for a while.
 
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Have you heard of this amp? I wonder how it
Would pair with Susvara?

https://www.thesoundadvocate.com/2021/09/boenicke-p1-power-amplifier-full-review/

I have an Enleum amp 23-R ordered and Soo In is very excited about the new upgraded performance. Still can’t figure out if the 23-R is a headphone amp or speaker amp. “I actually got the final prototype here in San Jose a couple weeks ago, and I have to say it’s amazing and much upgraded from the old AMP-13R especially in bass range (more extended and defined), as well as it provides quieter background. I don’t think we can do any better than this for a long time, and this is most likely our end-game compact amplifier” He seems earnest and I know that he believes this to be true. I would love to stop this quest for a while.
amp 23-R should be great, man. Haven't heard of the boenicke p1.
 
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I had the option of getting the Class A Accuphase e800 at a ridiculous price. I mulled over it, A/B-ed between the e800 and the e380, and settled on the e380, because it is a more forward and punchy sound. The treble is also more sparkly and I love the entire presentation.

They are both great signatures but I preferred the Accuphase’s A/B amps to their Class A amps and Pass Labs’ Class A amps. But of course YMMV.

Thanks, this is all very understanadable. I'm sure that this more sporty sound characteristic works really nice with Susvara and your SF monitors :)

The e800 however sounds more laidback, polite, smoother, which my older friends call “more refined” lol.

That 'vintage' aesthetic got many people into Accuphase, but it's quite cool seeing that this company knows how to make fast and puchny amps as well.
 
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Thanks, this is all very understanadable. I'm sure that this more sporty sound characteristic works really nice with Susvara and your SF monitors :)



That 'vintage' aesthetic got many people into Accuphase, but it's quite cool seeing that this company knows how to make fast and puchny amps as well.
Well, of course they do. 50 years of R&D, and quite the status they have achieved in 2-ch.

I have some friends who have invested the likes of small nations’ budgets in their 2-ch set up, and many prefer the Accuphase to Pass, Luxman or McIntosh. I personally consider them all very impressive and more or less at the same tier, although McIntosh’s tube amps are more competitive than their SS, IMHO.

I also like Gryphon and Dan D’Agostino a lot, as would most people I suppose, lol.

Interestingly, perhaps, I adore the Accuphase and TC combo, because once I got used to the TC’s tactile presentation, I started wanting more. 🙂
 
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I also like Gryphon and Dan D’Agostino a lot, as would most people I suppose, lol.

Those brands also make punchy and fast sounding products, so after knowing a bit about your taste I can see a pattern there. Interesgtingly it partially reflects what we recently did with our red devil.

Well, of course they do. 50 years of R&D, and quite the status they have achieved in 2-ch.

I agree.

I have some friends who have invested the likes of small nations’ budgets in their 2-ch set up, and many prefer the Accuphase to Pass, Luxman or McIntosh. I personally consider them all very impressive and more or less at the same tier, although McIntosh’s tube amps are more competitive than their SS, IMHO.

In leagues this high there are no bad choices I believe (only bad setup combinations :wink:), and each manufacturer you listed is really solid.
 
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I am not a technically minded person. Can someone tell me if a headphone amp rated at: 3W per channel @ 32 ohms is powerful enough to drive a Susvara well?

My strong suggestion would be to backtrack in this thread a fair bit (hundreds of pages of meaningful feedback) and read what its participants say about Susvara and power in general. Not much is needed to get these cans really loud (3W into 32 Ohms will do), but that's not the same thing as hearing them well-driven I'm affraid :)
 
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Currawong posted the following power graphs in the LCD-5 thread. He was explaining the LCD-5 might not be as easy to drive with portable gear as some folks thought. I'm using the Flux FA10 with my Susvara and getting ready to upgrade to the Volot. I asked Vitaliy if the Volot could drive the Susvara at 120 dB with the minimum 5012 mW, 17.94V, 289mA required in Currawong's graph. His reply was yes, the Volot can produce those values, and slightly more, specifically 8500mW, 23.5V, 380mA. And that they primarily set up the Volot to work with the Susvara, that the Susvara's were the main test headphones during design. I thought I would share.

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I'm sorry but I cannot help reacting to this graph again. I fail to see the relevance of the graphs, because one should not listen over 80 dB anyway.
 
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I'm sorry but I cannot help reacting to this graph again. I fail to see the relevance of the graphs, because one should not listen over 80 dB anyway.
I assume Currawong posted the graphs so folks can pick the dB they listen to and see if their amp has the mW, V, and mA specs to drive it. I think his point was it's not only the mW spec you need to look at and that the requirements grow logarithmically as the dB demand increases.
 
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