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Sep 16, 2021 at 4:37 PM Post #11,221 of 11,829

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Mine ships from a dealer tomorrow. I plan on giving my initial impiressions in here with the Susvara and the 1266 TC this weekend.

Will be keeping an eye out. Thank you!
 
Sep 16, 2021 at 6:54 PM Post #11,222 of 11,829

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13R sounded more like a SET Tube amp more than my SET tube amp at the time lol.... so to my ears this is accurate. Works perfect for me since I am not into the sharp, analytical sound, YMMV if you're looking for something else.
I think the 13r is literally a perfect match for the susvara which I have heard with numerous other amps....
 
Sep 16, 2021 at 7:48 PM Post #11,223 of 11,829

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New member of the Susvara club here. Picked up a Prion 4s cable with it also. Having the Superconductor on the TC and having owned the Lazuli Ref before I must say the Prion 4 is head and shoulders above those ergonomically (even at 8ft). Now to letting the burn in and the brain burn commence. Having only had the Abyss TC and LCD i4 in the house for the last 2 years I think the sound of the Sus is going to be quite an adjustment from the Abyss. Using the Formula S and Powerman currently to drive them but if the Sus stay in the stable will prob pickup a Bakoon/Enlium down the line. And of course the Abyss is not going anywhere :) .
 

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Sep 16, 2021 at 8:59 PM Post #11,224 of 11,829

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Slightly off topic, I'm trying to trade my Arya's now as I have the Susvaras. What would be a complimentary headphone to the Susys around the used price of the Aryas. I wouldnt mind paying a bit extra.

So far I received offers for ZMF Aeolus, Focal Clears, Stellia, Utopia, LCD X 2021, IER-Z1R, HD800, MDR-Z1R ....

I'd like to find something with slam and that excels in rock ... or something more forward to contrast the Susvaras ... I feel most people here use the 1266 TC as the complementary headphone .... thanks for any info ...
Utopia
 
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New member of the Susvara club here. Picked up a Prion 4s cable with it also. Having the Superconductor on the TC and having owned the Lazuli Ref before I must say the Prion 4 is head and shoulders above those ergonomically (even at 8ft). Now to letting the burn in and the brain burn commence. Having only had the Abyss TC and LCD i4 in the house for the last 2 years I think the sound of the Sus is going to be quite an adjustment from the Abyss. Using the Formula S and Powerman currently to drive them but if the Sus stay in the stable will prob pickup a Bakoon/Enlium down the line. And of course the Abyss is not going anywhere :) .
What part of the sound signature do you need to get used to? Sounds too laid back?
 
Sep 16, 2021 at 9:23 PM Post #11,226 of 11,829

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What part of the sound signature do you need to get used to? Sounds too laid back?
Yeah it is alot more subtle than the TC. Which is kind of what I wanted but it is not as immediately impressive as the TC. I spent some hours with the Susvara last night and there is alot of nuance to the sound and vocals can sound very emotive. It is just not as bombastic as the TC so it is an adjustment for the ears. Well they are my initial thoughts anyway, that may well change overtime.
 
Sep 16, 2021 at 9:32 PM Post #11,227 of 11,829

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as this board will tell you amping is more important with the susvara than almost any other HP..I actually sold my first susvara and thank goodness I bought it back in time and have come to absolutely love it
 
Sep 17, 2021 at 12:50 AM Post #11,229 of 11,829

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agreed,fantastic and so small and convenient
 
Sep 17, 2021 at 1:28 AM Post #11,230 of 11,829

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13r is so beautiful. enleum looks kinda awkward... Pity they didn't continue the sleek profile and red knob.
 
Sep 17, 2021 at 5:57 AM Post #11,231 of 11,829

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Has anyone got the Enleum AMP-23R yet? In theory, it's almost the same as the 13R so it shouldn't sound too different but it would be great to see some first-hand impressions.
 
Sep 17, 2021 at 7:18 PM Post #11,232 of 11,829

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Of all the SS amps discussed is there one that unequivocally is the most transparent and best for treble sparkle, decay and sound stage. I don’t need visceral base just needs to be tight and controlled without bloat or in any way intrusive to the mids and high end. Using DAVE and upscaler.

I'm on a DAVE as well. Regarding the amps I cited earlier (AHB2/HPA4, AMP-13R, and Pass Labs X150.8)...

For treble I'd give the HPA4 top ratings. That was my favorite aspect of the HPA4 with the Susvara. The 13R and the Pass Labs are both a shade more modulated in that area, equally so, I'd say.

For decay, I like the Pass Labs the best. Especially late at night when the power quality is at its best for me, the sense of decay and the ability to render low-level details generally can be almost magical. The other two would be tied for second. Relatedly (at least in my mind), the differences of PGGB upscaled tracks compared to their originals are markedly more apparent on the Pass Labs than the 13R, which is something I value a lot.

For soundstage, width as well as separation is best on the HPA4. For depth, the Pass Labs amp without question. The 13R is good and well-balanced in both dimensions.

For transparency? I have lots of trouble with that word along with words like "resolution" and "realism". Each of the 3 amps presents a slightly different interpretation of the reality of a recording, which admittedly isn't too helpful.

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Of the headphones I use, I think the AMP-13R synergizes best with the Phi TC. Its smoothness and relatively laid-back character does the TC well. It's my favorite of my amps for the TC (over the Pass Labs and probably also the Cayin HA-300), and this is the pairing I've done the majority of my listening with since after my first couple weeks with the amp.

I also really like it with the Auteur, which was really a nice surprise.

The Susvara comes in third, which I both hate having to admit and took me a long time to admit, in large part due to my own preconceptions. I now kind of regret having written some slightly overly-gushing first impressions of the amp a couple months back, actually. I also had to make like four different specific tweaks to my system setup to make the Susvara sound less bright and more dynamic, which is not an issue I've ever had with any amp with the Susvara (regarding brightness, I mean). I think the 13R sounds pretty good with the Susvara generally, but is lacking oomph in the bass compared to amps with better Susvara synergy, and lacking a little bit in bass quantity generally. It's partly for those reasons that it does better with the TC for me -- though based on the criteria you specified, I could see this not being a sticking point, potentially.

Lastly, I like the Utopia least among my headphones with the 13R, though I've done very little listening to the Utopia for several months now.
 
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The base isolation devices are removable?? Looks a lot better without the feet.. Hmmmmm.... On the amp13r they housed some internal components and I thought it added something interesting to the looks, but on the enleum those feet just looked odd.
 
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The base isolation devices are removable?? Looks a lot better without the feet.. Hmmmmm.... On the amp13r they housed some internal components and I thought it added something interesting to the looks, but on the enleum those feet just looked odd.

Its also $500 less too from what I’ve seen.
 
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The base isolation devices are removable?? Looks a lot better without the feet.. Hmmmmm.... On the amp13r they housed some internal components and I thought it added something interesting to the looks, but on the enleum those feet just looked odd.
You can order one without the feet.
 

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