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Sep 15, 2021 at 12:07 AM Post #11,146 of 14,027

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Or you can have this:

Raise your AMP-13R. :stuck_out_tongue:
Or likely bin it. 🤫🤣
I'll stop causing trouble and raising anxiety.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/kg-cfa3-headphone-amp.938064/
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Sep 15, 2021 at 12:08 AM Post #11,147 of 14,027

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Sep 15, 2021 at 1:29 AM Post #11,148 of 14,027

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Trying new things these days. Shanling M30 + Susvara, this is growing on me.

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Sep 15, 2021 at 1:33 AM Post #11,149 of 14,027

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Trying new things these days. Shanling M30 + Susvara, this is growing on me.

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Looking at the specs it looks like that shanling is 1530 mW @ 32 Ω?
 
Sep 15, 2021 at 3:53 AM Post #11,150 of 14,027

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Sep 15, 2021 at 4:05 AM Post #11,151 of 14,027

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so, my speaker taps have arrived.
before I dive into the impressions I wanted to confirm @bigbeans impressions about pairing with M30 - have been listening until very late yesterday running only Susvara through M30 on Turbo Gain, Transistor-amp-mode, volume between 50 to 60, couldn't get over 70 otherwise it was getting too loud for me.
In comparison to Flux-FA10 this combo had the more full-bodied signature, closer to the Shanling house sound I have been falling in love with.
So - M30 can run Susvara indeed without extra amplification and though maybe it was not coming to Susvaras full potential I haven't felt it was lacking either!
That must be something quite amazing considering M30 is an all in one transportable package running from batteries!
I remember that impression was also shared by headphone auditions, Amsterdam before...
 

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You're right. It doesn't generate much heat and the position of the heatsink has been often commented on before.

From their website.
175Wpc into 8Ω Transient 310W Short term RMS
265Wpc into 4Ω Transient 620W Short term RMS
500Wpc into 2Ω Transient 1240W Short term RMS

It's class D, isn't it?

Like 2kish for both dac and amp.

For obvious reasons I'm not going to say a word about DACs :)sunglasses:), but I'd hunt for a used Firstwatt if I were after a speaker amp.
 
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so now coming to the pairing of Shanling M30 and Roksan K3 using the Forzaaudio speaker taps which Matt had kindly built for me.
First thing: Make sure you connect the right banana plugs to the right ports (Matt had given me instructions on which marked end is fitting where).
Second thing: switching M30 to preamp mode and turning the volume all the way down!!!
3rd thing: powering on Roksan K3 and start listing while slowly adjusting the volume wheel

Volume setting now on my M30 is between 15-20 for normal listening volumes, getting to 30 the very highest!
That power amp is having reserves through the loudspeaker plugs which are far going over what your ears (and likely the Susvara drivers) can stand!

I am running M30 now on Bypass-amp mode which is passing through the DAC attenuation directly through the XLR-ports to the ROKSAN.
That setting yet sounded clearest, most dynamic and punchy before using more sensitive gear like my Denon AH-D9200 but didn't using the balanced headphone-out driving the Susvaras directly out of M30 (Transistor amp mode had more juice obviously there).
On M30 the different amp modes (transistor, Tube, ByPass) bring different flavours to the signature but also differ in terms of dynamics and details (which is also shown in the M30 spec sheet). That variety is imho also a very striking advantage in contrast to other pure tube or solid state amps as you can decide about the best signature to your liking through hardware settings without needing equing.

Now in direct comparison:

Tonality: M30 direct = Roksan K3 > Flux-FA10 (too neutral-bright)
Resolution/hearing through: Roksan K3 -> M30 -> Flux-FA10
Punch: Roksan K3 -> M30 -> Flux-F10
Presentation:
- M30: Full bodied but not as engaging, a tad relaxed,
- Flux-FA10: more direct but neutral-bright, a tad "boring"
- Roksan K3: effortless, punchy, raised mid bass, raised upper mids and a bit above, more engaging

Conclusion so far:
- Susvara is fine out of M30 for more relaxed listening "on-the-go", yes I believe this combo can satisfy me yet in a transportable format
- Roksan K3, go-to for engaging listening with more punch without compromising
- Flux-FA 10, neutral, decent but for me in comparison a tad too boring, will sell it

Edit: the Suvaras don't match the punch of my closed Denons and from what I am reading by far not that one of the TC but I haven't expected that tbh. It's basically a different use case for transparent musical listening, now with the Roksan and also a tad more punchy with more engaging factor but it's still no "disco headphone".
Have ordered the Dekoni Fenestrated Sheepskin ear pads and try these before looking for a different headphone cable.
Actually the length is nice for changing listening positions in the room but yes, the feel is like hardly cooked macaroni...
 

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Sep 15, 2021 at 6:26 AM Post #11,158 of 14,027

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so now coming to the pairing of Shanling M30 and Roksan K3 using the Forzaaudio speaker taps which Matt had kindly built for me.
First thing: Make sure you connect the right banana plugs to the right ports (Matt had given me instructions on which marked end is fitting where).
Second thing: switching M30 to preamp mode and turning the volume all the way down!!!
3rd thing: powering on Roksan K3 and start listing while slowly adjusting the volume wheel

Volume setting now on my M30 is between 15-20 for normal listening volumes, getting to 30 the very highest!
That power amp is having reserves through the loudspeaker plugs which are far going over what your ears (and likely the Susvara drivers) can stand!

I am running M30 now on Bypass-amp mode which is passing through the DAC attenuation directly through the XLR-ports to the ROKSAN.
That setting yet sounded clearest, most dynamic and punchy before using more sensitive gear like my Denon AH-D9200 but didn't using the balanced headphone-out driving the Susvaras directly out of M30 (Transistor amp mode had more juice obviously there).
On M30 the different amp modes (transistor, Tube, ByPass) bring different flavours to the signature but also differ in terms of dynamics and details (which is also shown in the M30 spec sheet). That variety is imho also a very striking advantage in contrast to other pure tube or solid state amps as you can decide about the best signature to your liking through hardware settings without needing equing.

Now in direct comparison:

Tonality: M30 direct = Roksan K3 > Flux-FA10 (too neutral-bright)
Resolution/hearing through: Roksan K3 -> M30 -> Flux-FA10
Punch: Roksan K3 -> M30 -> Flux-F10
Presentation:
- M30: Full bodied but not as engaging, a tad relaxed,
- Flux-FA10: more direct but neutral-bright, a tad "boring"
- Roksan K3: effortless, punchy, raised mid bass, raised upper mids and a bit above, more engaging

Conclusion so far:
- Susvara is fine out of M30 for more relaxed listening "on-the-go", yes I believe this combo can satisfy me yet in a transportable format
- Roksan K3, go-to for engaging listening with more punch without compromising
- Flux-FA 10, neutral, decent but for me in comparison a tad too boring, will sell it

Edit: the Suvaras don't match the punch of my closed Denons and from what I am reading by far not that one of the TC but I haven't expected that tbh. It's basically a different use case for transparent musical listening, now with the Roksan and also a tad more punchy with more engaging factor but it's still no "disco headphone".
Have ordered the Dekoni Fenestrated Sheepskin ear pads and try these before looking for a different headphone cable.
Actually the length is nice for changing listening positions in the room but yes, the feel is like hardly cooked macaroni...
Welcome to the speaker-amps-as-headamps club.

I am currently considering a March Audio amp with the Purifi module. My understanding is that it comparable to the Benchmark AHB2, including the smaller form factor but with less heat and more energy efficiency. It may also be a good match to my tube preamplifier.

Do people have good experience with using Purifi amps with Susvara? I think @Roasty had good experience with the Apollon but I'm unsure if there's more who do.
 
Sep 15, 2021 at 6:40 AM Post #11,159 of 14,027

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so now coming to the pairing of Shanling M30 and Roksan K3 using the Forzaaudio speaker taps which Matt had kindly built for me.
First thing: Make sure you connect the right banana plugs to the right ports (Matt had given me instructions on which marked end is fitting where).
Second thing: switching M30 to preamp mode and turning the volume all the way down!!!
3rd thing: powering on Roksan K3 and start listing while slowly adjusting the volume wheel

Volume setting now on my M30 is between 15-20 for normal listening volumes, getting to 30 the very highest!
That power amp is having reserves through the loudspeaker plugs which are far going over what your ears (and likely the Susvara drivers) can stand!

I am running M30 now on Bypass-amp mode which is passing through the DAC attenuation directly through the XLR-ports to the ROKSAN.
That setting yet sounded clearest, most dynamic and punchy before using more sensitive gear like my Denon AH-D9200 but didn't using the balanced headphone-out driving the Susvaras directly out of M30 (Transistor amp mode had more juice obviously there).
On M30 the different amp modes (transistor, Tube, ByPass) bring different flavours to the signature but also differ in terms of dynamics and details (which is also shown in the M30 spec sheet). That variety is imho also a very striking advantage in contrast to other pure tube or solid state amps as you can decide about the best signature to your liking through hardware settings without needing equing.

Now in direct comparison:

Tonality: M30 direct = Roksan K3 > Flux-FA10 (too neutral-bright)
Resolution/hearing through: Roksan K3 -> M30 -> Flux-FA10
Punch: Roksan K3 -> M30 -> Flux-F10
Presentation:
- M30: Full bodied but not as engaging, a tad relaxed,
- Flux-FA10: more direct but neutral-bright, a tad "boring"
- Roksan K3: effortless, punchy, raised mid bass, raised upper mids and a bit above, more engaging

Conclusion so far:
- Susvara is fine out of M30 for more relaxed listening "on-the-go", yes I believe this combo can satisfy me yet in a transportable format
- Roksan K3, go-to for engaging listening with more punch without compromising
- Flux-FA 10, neutral, decent but for me in comparison a tad too boring, will sell it

Edit: the Suvaras don't match the punch of my closed Denons and from what I am reading by far not that one of the TC but I haven't expected that tbh. It's basically a different use case for transparent musical listening, now with the Roksan and also a tad more punchy with more engaging factor but it's still no "disco headphone".
Have ordered the Dekoni Fenestrated Sheepskin ear pads and try these before looking for a different headphone cable.
Actually the length is nice for changing listening positions in the room but yes, the feel is like hardly cooked macaroni...
Nice impressions
 
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