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Apr 30, 2021 at 8:16 PM Post #8,357 of 13,894

MikeLa

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A few years i demoed the susvara with 430had. Transparency is the description. Very transparent.
no issue with treble.
i never demoed the hekse with the moon dac amp.

my views are in many previous posts so in summary

i own the hekse and susvara.
the hekse is a fantastic hp driven well by anything and scales up.
the susvara is even better but must be
driven well and can sound very magical or you’ll be short changed.

though some are critical of the moon amp and may call it as lacking dynamics, if you are enjoying it then the susvara will have another level of transparency/naturalness above the hekse

Another way to put it: my hekse is up for sale. After owning the susvara for 4 months i have accepted the fact that i keep reaching for the susvara over the hekse, essentially, everytime that i am at my headphone desktop setup.

if i was wanting to hear more music when i was sitting on my couch, eg out of my iphone or iPad then i would keep the hekse and would not grab any other open headphone
thecrow, thank you. This really helps "though some are critical of the moon amp and may call it as lacking dynamics, if you are enjoying it then the susvara will have another level of transparency/naturalness above the hekse ". You've put my mind at ease the 430HA has enough power to drive the Susvara's. I've been out of the hobby for a while and I'm not current on all the new products. With the 430HA's power output, I wasn't sure why I didn't see more 430HA + Susvara matches. I do enjoy the 430HA with the HE1000se. When the RME arrived I did a quick, informal A/B between the RME amp section and the 430HA. My old ears didn't pick up much difference if any. But I'm sure an objective comparison would identify a delta between the two. I know the RME had good numbers on AudioScienceReview (another new discovery for me). I gotta go and pull the trigger.
 
Apr 30, 2021 at 8:49 PM Post #8,358 of 13,894

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Can you be a fan of AudioScienceReview and own Susvara's? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Those boys would eat you for breakfast if they knew you spent more than $600 on any headphone.
 
Apr 30, 2021 at 10:25 PM Post #8,359 of 13,894

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audiosciencereview exists basically to tell people that spending more than a couple of hundred dollars on any gear is insane thus they are useless...I have actually looked at the site once or twice and as soon as new gear is announced the first comments are to mock the price and insult anyone who buys it...waste of time
 
Apr 30, 2021 at 11:52 PM Post #8,360 of 13,894

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I don't know much about the forums on AudioScienceReviews. I've spent my time reading and watching Amir's reviews. I've seen him praise a device that measures well and is well priced, but I haven't yet seen a review where he is not recommending based only on a high price tag. Grant it, I've only read a small number of his reviews, and most of those are electronics, not headphones (only the K371 and HE-6). He does have a bias for the Harman Curve, as I do.

I think he's just started reviewing headphones. Here's his current recommend list EQ'd and no EQ.

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Here's his not recommend list.

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I don't know much about the forums on AudioScienceReviews. I've spent my time reading and watching Amir's reviews. I've seen him praise a device that measures well and is well priced, but I haven't yet seen a review where he is not recommending based only on a high price tag. Grant it, I've only read a small number of his reviews, and most of those are electronics, not headphones (only the K371 and HE-6). He does have a bias for the Harman Curve, as I do.

I think he's just started reviewing headphones. Here's his current recommend list EQ'd and no EQ.

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Here's his not recommend list.

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I bet test tones sound amazing through his list of recommended headphones!
 
May 1, 2021 at 12:44 AM Post #8,362 of 13,894

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May 1, 2021 at 12:56 AM Post #8,363 of 13,894

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Can you be a fan of AudioScienceReview and own Susvara's? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Those boys would eat you for breakfast if they knew you spent more than $600 on any headphone.
I'm convinced that the grouchy old men over there have severe hearing loss and that they judge gear with their eyes (looking at measurement charts) and, obviously, not their tone-deaf ears.
 
May 1, 2021 at 1:00 AM Post #8,364 of 13,894

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There is no better headphone out there Susvara is KING! Utopia to narrow metallic. Abyss TC recessed mids. LCD-4 no highs.
This is the only TOTL headphones without flaws! Beats even my reference for years the SR007 MK2 bass port mod + KGSSHv Carbon.
Great with V281 and even with my Shanling M8 amazing!

This is like the only thread I consistently see people trying to declare king of any TOTL headphone. And each time it's hilarious lol
 
May 1, 2021 at 1:11 AM Post #8,365 of 13,894

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This is like the only thread I consistently see people trying to declare king of any TOTL headphone. And each time it's hilarious lol

Yea... Cos we all know the Utopia is the one true king!

Lol... *runs and hides...
 
May 1, 2021 at 1:20 AM Post #8,366 of 13,894

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Yea... Cos we all know the Utopia is the one true king!

Lol... *runs and hides...

LOL

I actually miss the Utopia quite a bit since being without them for about a month.
 
May 1, 2021 at 1:57 AM Post #8,367 of 13,894

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I don't know much about the forums on AudioScienceReviews. I've spent my time reading and watching Amir's reviews. I've seen him praise a device that measures well and is well priced, but I haven't yet seen a review where he is not recommending based only on a high price tag. Grant it, I've only read a small number of his reviews, and most of those are electronics, not headphones (only the K371 and HE-6). He does have a bias for the Harman Curve, as I do.

I think he's just started reviewing headphones. Here's his current recommend list EQ'd and no EQ.

1619840546598.png

Here's his not recommend list.

1619840689773.png
Just goes to show you. I’ve owned some of the “recommended” and “not recommended” headphones on the list and the “not recommended “ on the list were clearly better for me. I’ve stopped listening to people about what they recommended. I’m more interested in people comparing/contrasting so I can figure out if something might be the right fit for me.
 
May 1, 2021 at 2:05 AM Post #8,368 of 13,894

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I don't know much about the forums on AudioScienceReviews. I've spent my time reading and watching Amir's reviews. I've seen him praise a device that measures well and is well priced, but I haven't yet seen a review where he is not recommending based only on a high price tag. Grant it, I've only read a small number of his reviews, and most of those are electronics, not headphones (only the K371 and HE-6). He does have a bias for the Harman Curve, as I do.

I think he's just started reviewing headphones. Here's his current recommend list EQ'd and no EQ.



Here's his not recommend list.


His YouTube channel is ridiculously informative if you want a breakdown on the engineering aspect and how things work. It's great that he shares his knowledge as easily, and openly as he does. Highly qualified with the experience to back it up.
 
May 1, 2021 at 2:26 AM Post #8,369 of 13,894

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thecrow, thank you. This really helps "though some are critical of the moon amp and may call it as lacking dynamics, if you are enjoying it then the susvara will have another level of transparency/naturalness above the hekse ". You've put my mind at ease the 430HA has enough power to drive the Susvara's. I've been out of the hobby for a while and I'm not current on all the new products. With the 430HA's power output, I wasn't sure why I didn't see more 430HA + Susvara matches. I do enjoy the 430HA with the HE1000se. When the RME arrived I did a quick, informal A/B between the RME amp section and the 430HA. My old ears didn't pick up much difference if any. But I'm sure an objective comparison would identify a delta between the two. I know the RME had good numbers on AudioScienceReview (another new discovery for me). I gotta go and pull the trigger.
Also the susvaras swapped their headphone connectors from 2.5mm to 3.5mm about a year ago.
you probably would want the 3.5mm connections as they are not as thin and may match up with some future headphones if looking at cables
 
May 1, 2021 at 2:27 AM Post #8,370 of 13,894

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Just goes to show you. I’ve owned some of the “recommended” and “not recommended” headphones on the list and the “not recommended “ on the list were clearly better for me. I’ve stopped listening to people about what they recommended. I’m more interested in people comparing/contrasting so I can figure out if something might be the right fit for me.
i agree

comparisons are always valued by me
 

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