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it does, it still needs ample power but not as much as susvara
 
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Agree that the Abyss's require less power for sure (about half as much, seems like), but as far as I can tell, they're still the hardest to drive headphones out there aside from the two aforementioned Hifimans.

So still a prime candidate for the ole speaker amp treatment, IMO. Although the designer has made regular cautionary responses to the question of using speaker amps with them, so I'd have to assume they're definitely vulnerable to getting blown out if fed the wrong amount of power!

Nevertheless, I'm really interested to find out for myself how the TC responds to a good speaker amp compared to the GS-X's, V281's, and Formula S's of the world. And how it stacks up to the Susvara driven by the same speaker amp...
 
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Used to have the GSX MkII and it doesn't really do HE6 justice, a cheap 20 watts speaker amp easily bests it in bass extension, soundstage and headroom. Since Susvara has roughly the same sensitivity as HE6, I would suggest getting a cheapo speaker amp instead of the GsX. Not that the GSX isn't good, they just aren't beefy enough for the most power-hungry cans i.e. Abyss, Susvara, he6.
Agreed.

Most of us here not recommending the gsx happen to be ex-owners of it
Oh also, we have since moved on to better amps for the Susvara.
If the GSX was that ideal we would have kept it anyway, just saying
 
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Agreed.

Most of us here not recommending the gsx happen to be ex-owners of it
Oh also, we have since moved on to better amps for the Susvara.
If the GSX was that ideal we would have kept it anyway, just saying
Yeah. I've always regretted paying the full price for GsX. It isn't a bad amp per se, but for the price you can do much better.
Even when I had the GsX I never thought its an all-rounder. The sound has this hardness that's really hard to describe, music just doesn't sound fluid.
 
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Agree that the Abyss's require less power for sure (about half as much, seems like), but as far as I can tell, they're still the hardest to drive headphones out there aside from the two aforementioned Hifimans.

So still a prime candidate for the ole speaker amp treatment, IMO. Although the designer has made regular cautionary responses to the question of using speaker amps with them, so I'd have to assume they're definitely vulnerable to getting blown out if fed the wrong amount of power!

Nevertheless, I'm really interested to find out for myself how the TC responds to a good speaker amp compared to the GS-X's, V281's, and Formula S's of the world. And how it stacks up to the Susvara driven by the same speaker amp...
I think Joe's either seen enough headphones fallen victim to speaker amps or is extremely averse to the idea of speaker amps driving HPs. Fang openly encourages people to power HE6/Sus with speaker amps while Joe gathers every tid bit of info he can to discourage that.

Hell, I power my 007s with 80W speaker amps thru SRD7pro adapter. They're fine.
 
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quite sure I will be selling my brand new Susvara in the coming weeks. $3700.

anyone interested DM me to get 1st in line.

they are great... but I really think I enjoy the Bass response of the 4Z. Going to test an LCD 4. If they work the Susvara are gone.

FYI.. Susvara are WAY better than LCD 24 in every aspect.... everything is better... bass, mids highs.
 
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I use the formula s/powerman combo with my TC and find it a marvelous combo.....I also had used the 281 which was good but not as good and the wells Milo again good but not as good....I have less than zero interest in a speaker amp
 
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quite sure I will be selling my brand new Susvara in the coming weeks. $3700.
Why would you let them go? Different angle? Something more universal? Just curious...
 
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Interesting. There's a certain amount of pushback on the topic of using speaker amps in the Abyss thread right now as well.

:thinking:...
It would be great if someone could compare the HPA4 with the AHB2 driving the SUSVARA, especially with the CHORD DAVE or equivalent level DAC.
 
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It would be great if someone could compare the HPA4 with the AHB2 driving the SUSVARA, especially with the CHORD DAVE or equivalent level DAC.
Haha, I was just thinking the same thing, having just (finally) gotten the AHB2 to go between my Dave and Susvara (and friends).
 
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I think Joe's either seen enough headphones fallen victim to speaker amps or is extremely averse to the idea of speaker amps driving HPs. Fang openly encourages people to power HE6/Sus with speaker amps while Joe gathers every tid bit of info he can to discourage that.

Hell, I power my 007s with 80W speaker amps thru SRD7pro adapter. They're fine.
I had the much more sensitive Sennheiser HD800 run from the taps of a power 250watt power amp & it was fine. I can only see the Susvara or Abyss blowing the drivers if the volume is at max on those power amps when turned on.
 
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I can only see the Susvara or Abyss blowing the drivers if the volume is at max on those power amps when turned on.
Yes, power amps feeding Susvaras from taps directly might sound scary, but one would have to go to really loud unlistenable levels to break them.
 
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Haha, I was just thinking the same thing, having just (finally) gotten the AHB2 to go between my Dave and Susvara (and friends).
Bimmer100 has an opinion:

Is the HPA4 driving the Hifiman Susvara enough or will I need to use the ABH2 speaker taps to get the most out of the Susvara?

the HPA4 has more than enough power to drive the susvara. I own both HPA4 and AHB2 and would never consider using the AHB2 with the susvara's. I'm quite happy with the performance and few amps have the grunt for the susvara's. however HPA4 will deliver.
 
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