[jlemaster1957]

I own susvara, and i have blown a couple. They are not as tough as the price suggests and if you over egg the bass on EQ with the aded distortion you are likely to wreck them ESPECIALLY if you listen loud like me. If you are a quiet listener, then it wont matter, but at volume, we dont always hear the distortion that causes the heat nor do planars always make it clear that enough is enough before they tear. On standard drivers you tend to hear them hit the stops ... i dont think susvara gives that indication. I also used the more posh version of the lokius, the active version (£1k) and it was absolute junk. If you hear Susvara on good tubes its holographic in presentation and layered. THe second the EQ was on, the presentation broke down to something totally flat. WIth it removed, all was back to glorious layering. I wante dto love that Remote controlled EQ, but i sold it within 3 days thankfully not losing a penny.

What i would suggest and i do use is ROON. ROONs built in EQ is perfection. I hear no losses from using it. I raise its bass shelf a touch. I also break the seal on the lowerside of the headphone cup to give a slightly more pronounced bass. If you pull the cups slightly off your ears you will hear more bass. I beleive you might loose extension slightly, but its always a trade off so pick accordingly.

These are my personal opinions and people are free to disagree, but i wont be going with EQ outside of Roon ever again. And i wont be going solid state for headphones ever again! Im Susvara - Gustard R26 - Cayin 300b mk2 (Elrog MO, Mullard White prints, 2 x Grey plate 22DE4 2 x Black PLate 22DE4) - Its glorious.

+1 for Roon EQ. The only extra wrinkle for EQ is if you use a power amp to run Susvara avoid amping up EQ AND playing hi-res files, as this increases the time the drivers are exposed to the increased dB signal (increasing the likelihood of blow-out). This should not occur in a headphone amp like the Envy.

 

[OCC7N]

I recently recieved my Susvara and it's still burn in process.
I want little more on base weight and puncheness. so I searched for Lokius
and the feedback seems quite good in here.
I know some of us mentioned about Lokius but are you still using this device?
Do you recommend Lokius for my purpose?

Rather find the right dac than EQ. The reward is big. The right Source and DAC combo
-its a journey

Not enough bass try to start with the source and power conditioning. DAC has the most credit for filling out the Susvara spectrum.

EQs has to be really good. Universal Audio(Sonnox Oxford) DSP is better than built-in EQs however thats gonna cost some money. Rather find the best DAC instead

 

[JCworld]

Thanks for all your advice. It seems like EQ device is not a simple solution.
As music production is one of our other hobby I don't have many option to choose from DAC/ADC(simply audio interface).
It has to have ASIO and line input for recording. Do you have any suggestion for this(mostly audio interface)?

 

[JCworld]

It seems you need a lot more powerful amp to start. Eq it is not going to work until susvaras are feed with enough power. Another thing, try to put on your susvaras with 3 or 4 holes left in the adjustment. They will sound more thick.

Do you have any reference image or site to do this, making holes??

 

[theveterans]

Rather find the right dac than EQ. The reward is big. The right Source and DAC combo
-its a journey

Not enough bass try to start with the source and power conditioning. DAC has the most credit for filling out the Susvara spectrum.

EQs has to be really good. Universal Audio(Sonnox Oxford) DSP is better than built-in EQs however thats gonna cost some money. Rather find the best DAC instead

I find EQ being still bounded by the weakest bottleneck in the system. A DAC won't magically level up in realism quality with EQ, but EQ will seriously help with better perception of specific frequency range you want to emphasize, just don't expect a new level of realism sensation that better DACs can provide. You can certainly get closer with playing around with digital filters like HQPlayer which to me can really enhance the realism perception much more than a PEQ can. Then again, realism perception to me is not a matter of FR changes, but a complex layer of low level harmonic presentation that can't be manipulated with just a PEQ.

 

[jlemaster1957]

Thanks for all your advice. It seems like EQ device is not a simple solution.
As music production is one of our other hobby I don't have many option to choose from DAC/ADC(simply audio interface).
It has to have ASIO and line input for recording. Do you have any suggestion for this(mostly audio interface)?

There are 2 thought trains here: how ASIO files from your source on your DAC.

First off, your computer needs to support USB2.0 - and I am pretty confident that any computer less than 5 years old, maybe less that 8-10 years old, will have USB 2.0 ports. Most computers dynamically configure the ports so that if you plug a USB 2.0 device in it will configure the port to be USB 2.0.

Second you need to set the DAC into Class 2.0 USB Audio mode, which may require you to choose a DAC with an ASIO driver like CambridgeAudio DACMagic. But your DAC’s firmware may do this without a special driver program. If unsure check with the manufacturer. Most DACs will receive USB 2.0.

The other thought train is whether EQ improves SQ for Susvara. As a ‘mid-fi’ guy, when I first had Susvara, I bought Yggy OG and listened out the Burson 3XP. At that point, I added a bit of bass shelf and thought it improved things. But I wasn’t getting much stage depth or ‘realism’ (to use @theveterans term). Since then I sold 3XP and bought 2023 3XGT and upgraded the power modules and added the V7 op amps, and then added Freya+ with pricey NOS tubes. Staging improved as well as detail retrieval and bass texture and then I discovered that any EQ was making things worse not better- I think there is a level of quality in terms of chain above which EQ is either redundant or deteriorates SQ. YMMV.

 

[Sand Dan Glokta]

Do you have any reference image or site to do this, making holes??

i mean to adjust the headband in order to get the best sound, not the best comfort. The holes are already made in each side. In my case the best confort is leaving a hole under the headband adjustment but the best sound is leaving 3 or 4, although the top of my ears rubs the pads. To discover this simply fact has improved the sound quite a lot.

 

[Sand Dan Glokta]

Not a lot of info of your amp but it seems capable of running the susvaras. Wait for the burnin and maybe you got more bass and slam. But flux is not the best at this, flux is more about soundstage. Anyway the susvaras pre burn in sound very thin. I have made the burnin two times and they get a lot more bass. And try what i said about fit.

 

[OCC7N]

I find EQ being still bounded by the weakest bottleneck in the system. A DAC won't magically level up in realism quality with EQ, but EQ will seriously help with better perception of specific frequency range you want to emphasize, just don't expect a new level of realism sensation that better DACs can provide. You can certainly get closer with playing around with digital filters like HQPlayer which to me can really enhance the realism perception much more than a PEQ can. Then again, realism perception to me is not a matter of FR changes, but a complex layer of low level harmonic presentation that can't be manipulated with just a PEQ.

I am actually pointing DAC out with the emphasis: people get lost in the amp jungle and give up trying, not knowing that DAC is more important. I am willing to bet that a DAC that can smack the crap out of Susvara, can make the headphone pleased with less power than most people are talking about in here. That is why people run to their speaker amps, compensating for the ‘weakness’ of the DAC.

Get a DAC with a ‘powerful’ ampstage(not preamp). Thats my two cents!

 

[Sand Dan Glokta]

Talking about susvara as the most inefficient hps in the market, imo the amp has to be the first thing to be solved. Even more if we consider that susvaras have a problematic combination of bad sensitivity and high impedance. If the amp is not well picked the stage in width is going to be quite narrow and the phones will be misspent. At the same time the bass will be recessed, which is sad because susvaras well driven are quite warm and their bass and bass drum (more the first one) are great. Bass drums are beautiful but others cans can hit harder. Also a preamp with its more high output impedance can help a lot the amp to tense that drivers.

 

[Sand Dan Glokta]

I am actually pointing DAC out with the emphasis: people get lost in the amp jungle and give up trying, not knowing that DAC is more important. I am willing to bet that a DAC that can smack the crap out of Susvara, can make the headphone pleased with less power than most people are talking about in here. That is why people run to their speaker amps, compensating for the ‘weakness’ of the DAC.

Get a DAC with a ‘powerful’ ampstage(not preamp). Thats my two cents!

I didnt mean dac isnt important. In fact going DSD has been a big jump in soundstage and warmth. I guess everything matters when the headphones are so resolutive. It was harder to tell the difference between dsd and pcm with aryas but with susvaras is more than noticiable, is delightful.

 

[theveterans]

I am actually pointing DAC out with the emphasis: people get lost in the amp jungle and give up trying, not knowing that DAC is more important. I am willing to bet that a DAC that can smack the crap out of Susvara, can make the headphone pleased with less power than most people are talking about in here. That is why people run to their speaker amps, compensating for the ‘weakness’ of the DAC.

Get a DAC with a ‘powerful’ ampstage(not preamp). Thats my two cents!

You don't need a powerful DAC. More like a competent sounding DAC with 2V or less. I drive my Susvara with a mere 1.6 Watt power @60 ohm load from DIY Aegis at max volume so I attenuate the input signal instead with my Saga preamp so that I don't overload the amp with too hot of a signal, yes 2V is too hot and causes clipping with Susvara after playing for 15 minutes regardless of volume so instead, I max out the volume pot on the Aegis for full power delivery and attenuate the incoming signal with my Saga

 

[OCC7N]

You don't need a powerful DAC. More like a competent sounding DAC with 2V or less. I drive my Susvara with a mere 1.6 Watt power @60 ohm load from DIY Aegis at max volume so I attenuate the input signal instead with my Saga preamp so that I don't overload the amp with too hot of a signal, yes 2V is too hot and causes clipping with Susvara after playing for 15 minutes regardless of volume so instead, I max out the volume pot on the Aegis for full power delivery and attenuate the incoming signal with my Saga

I dont use Volt I use current/MA all my units in the Susvara chain are based on current, even the headamp out.

 

[OCC7N]

This group just knows how to make happy music. One if the few band/group that really makes me happy. The energy. This album

Let the weekend play!

 

[Spawn300Z]

This group just knows how to make happy music. One if the few band/group that really makes me happy. The energy. This album

Let the weekend play!

Fourplay is an outstanding group. Just need to hit shuffle and enjoy.