HiFiMan Susvara
Jun 3, 2024 at 7:57 PM Post #26,236 of 26,829
guys.. now that you know your old susvara is veiled, I'll do u a solid and take it off you for 2k.
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 8:09 PM Post #26,237 of 26,829
prediction...the value of the used original susvara after dipping briefly will rise in value
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 8:21 PM Post #26,238 of 26,829
prediction...the value of the used original susvara after dipping briefly will rise in value
Not if they lower the list price which HFM history suggests is likely.
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 8:46 PM Post #26,239 of 26,829
Has anyone heard the Susvara paired with ampsandsound Nautilus? (I only read a handful of impressions from searching this thread)

Is this a good pairing if I can get the Nautilus at a good discount?
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 8:48 PM Post #26,240 of 26,829
So I joined the hobby in 2012 when the HD650 was premium at $499.

12 years later:

$8k headphones plus $2k premium cable plus $20k amp plus $5k DAC.

That’s a lightly used BMW 330i to listen to headphones.

Or a top of the line Genelec speaker system .

We’re being played guys.

So first off, I agree with you (we're getting played).
However, between 1989-2012, most TOTL were five figures. The hd650 was never considered summit-fi - Sennheiser had the he90 and he60.

Sony R10 1989 $2,500 but then rose to $5,000
Sennheiser Orpheus 1993 $16,000
Sennheiser he60/hev70 1994 $1,400
Stax Sr-Omega 1993 $1,600 but ended at $4,000 before sell out
Stax sr-007 1997 $2,600
Stax sr-009 2012 $4,000
Sennheiser hd800 2009 $1,400

There were also other very expensive headphones that released such as:
AKG K1000
Grado Ps-1
ATH L-3000

The difference is that all of these headphones really pushed tech forward and were a good balance between R&D development + profit for the company. R10 , Orpheus and Omega were actually not even profitable. The idea was to make a halo product.

Out of the ones listed perhaps only the Ps-1 was a clear money grab. With the new Susvara it just looks like they took off the grill and changed the color. Even new drivers don't justify a price jump like this.
 
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Jun 3, 2024 at 9:09 PM Post #26,242 of 26,829
Im pretty mixed about this. The Susvara is already an amazing if not prior to this new version one of the best headphones outside the HE1. The people that would be able to afford and be willing to pay for this new version most likely have a system to drive the original.

This is the thing that makes no business sense to me really. Perhaps the challenge in sourcing an adequate system (amplification) is possibly deterring too many customers in a market of emerging TOTLs headphones that can compete with the Susvara. But that makes no sense as they're all hard to drive, generally. The real open question is what level of improvement is there sonically amplification held constant. If there's a nice improvement than maybe all of the convo is moot, I'm skeptical.

If I were a new user, I'd just go for the old model and put the difference in case in a better system. But again, holding an open mind that if it actually is audibly better, it changes the convo.

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Work has been so crazy, I'm so upset that I missed all of the craziness lol. And I knew it was today lol
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 9:19 PM Post #26,243 of 26,829
The difference is that all of these headphones really pushed tech forward and were a good balance between R&D development + profit for the company. R10 , Orpheus and Omega were actually not even profitable. The idea was to make a halo product.

Out of the ones listed perhaps only the Ps-1 was a clear money grab. With the new Susvara it just looks like they took off the grill and changed the color. Even new drivers don't justify a price jump like this.

I think a there are quite a few new manufacturers that have pushed the tech forward (planars and ribbons especially, but even so with stats to a lesser degree)--there have been a LOT of new tech in these headphones, but at a bit of expense of a few* of the strengths of the old TOTLs (everything is more detail oriented without the natural tones of the OGs). But where I absolutely just agree 100% is that the pricing models are ridiculous and it's not just R&D, it's conscious profit margin decisions, which every brand has a right to make. And you have to consider the current market for fit, but it's tough.

I'm at a point in which I'm really only interested in the best of the best gear, and particularly on the headphones front. I don't do a lot of swapping of DACs, amps even, as I get more out headphone companions and more joy. I mention that to also acknowledge that I do pay premiums and mainly for things well researched or that I've heard.. but we're essentially setting the market and driving this ourselves (not saying you fall into "we" whatsoever lol).
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 9:24 PM Post #26,244 of 26,829
wow this colour scheme looks great! Hopefully, they will actually release SUS NGH(Never Gonna Happen) in the future lol
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 9:25 PM Post #26,245 of 26,829
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the natural enemy of susvara unveiled
lmao
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Jun 3, 2024 at 9:32 PM Post #26,246 of 26,829
Better names:
  • Hifiman SUV (Susvara UnVeiled)
  • Unprotected Sus (feels good, but you're taking a risk)
  • Susvara UnSafe (aka SUS)
How about just Susvara 2? Or something completely different?

Assuming the new name is referring to the bare grills, it sounds like they thought about it for 5 min and said 'let's go with that.' It was not a well thought out name. Susvara Unveiled is terrible
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 10:05 PM Post #26,247 of 26,829
Someone said it looks like a trashcan but it looks more like a cheap Chinese knockoff of a real Susvara lol
We do have couple of knockoff SUSs here. Some are even uglier than UNVEILED
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, while others look like a hybrid of SUS and 1266
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lol




Agreed, the brown pads just don't look nice in contrast with the colour of the chassis.

Am I correct in saying that it comes with a cover to put and take off the side of the driver? very much a hassle if true.
That's right. 'After use, it is recommended to put the cover back on' so said Hifiman. Couple of head-fier here and I have translated part of the product introduction, you may refer to this link
 
Jun 3, 2024 at 11:10 PM Post #26,248 of 26,829
Though this is an interesting release and I would have been interested to demo these if I did not have the susvaras, I like my Susvaras too much to be interested in the new unveiled release. Absolutely no need.
Plus nor can I afford to be tempted to try these at this point.

This was quite similar to the new focal utopia. Particularly going by Chronos’s review on the headphone show the OG utopias suit me better with my gear. Or at least no reason to change to the new for the different character. (Though i have never demoed the new release yet)

And my hd800 were never surpassed by the hd800s. The hd800s i did demo. I found the hd800 to be better balanced but that might well be because i was used to that sound, particularly in my system again.


I’ll just keep spending $ on other parts of my system - eg streamer
 
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Jun 4, 2024 at 12:30 AM Post #26,249 of 26,829
The home audio industry started the unreasonable pricing to draw the attention and money of ego/"elite" buyers long before 2012.

Goldmund Turntable $12000 1986 (later model $250k)
HQD speaekers $26000 1984
Koetsu Onix Platinum cartridge $7500 2006
Audioquest Everest speaker cable 3M $21000 2008
Infinity Reference Standard (IRS), (Arnie Nudell, John Ulrick, Cary Christie) https://www.theabsolutesound.com/ar...-infinity-reference-standard-irs-loudspeaker/
plus
4 Krell Monoblock Amps + Krell pre Amp (Dan & Rondi D'Agostino) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krell_Industries
plus
Turntable, CD player, cables
plus
A listening room like a castle hall

The top of this old scale
 

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