[SamySquirrel]

No it does not. Sometimes I wonder what people here believe to be a “hefty bass”.
Have you heard something like the MDR-Z1R ? Now that has bass.

NOTHING has bass like the He-R9's. it has like +7DB of bass.

 

[Halimj7]

No it does not. Sometimes I wonder what people here believe to be a “hefty bass”.
Have you heard something like the MDR-Z1R ? Now that has bass.

I listen to R10P off the TA Z1hes and the bass is definitely hefty to my ears. I have heard MDR Z1R many times off the WM1Z and do not feel it has a heftier or a bigger bass. D9200 and R10P have a bigger and better bass imo. It really depends how you define bass. MDR seems more mid and upper bass focused to my ears but it is no where as expansive as the R10P throughout the whole bass frequencies.

 

[Halimj7]

NOTHING has bass like the He-R9's. it has like +7DB of bass.

Never heard but I do like bass. How is the quality of the bass? I always wanted to hear it and the R10D.

 

[kith86]

Hifiman has lost a lot of trust when it comes to their pricing.

Its part of their unique strategy and business model, hifiman indeed deliberately cutting price of brand new older product maybe because they hope to boost newer model that about to come out that they think better or if the product didnot get liked by most audience (bad review, bad sales ex. Audivina), somehow their concept or business model is opposite of japanese audiophille manufacture (sony, stax, fostex, ath, denon, final), no matter what happened or public oppinion regarding their product, bad sales, they never or rarely discount their msrp, take z1r as example, its old headphone but msrp still the same, you only expected discount on used model or certain event or certain shop which limited quantity but never do official price cut, as hifiman did themselves, no trade off program as well.

Maybe also because their flooding market strategy and want to dominate market share in each price range better, also some people expected sucessor that better, different, thats why for some time, arya have stable price, and its position now taking over by he1000v4 (up to 1500 price range).

My prediction also wrong, i thought susvara would not have sucessor at least in 10 years (released on 2017) but they unexpectedly have sucessor sooner before z1r (released on 2016) has sucessor from sony as example.

 

[nioh]

I listen to R10P off the TA Z1hes and the bass is definitely hefty to my ears. I have heard MDR Z1R many times off the WM1Z and do not feel it has a heftier or a bigger bass. D9200 and R10P have a bigger and better bass imo. It really depends how you define bass. MDR seems more mid and upper bass focused to my ears but it is no where as expansive as the R10P throughout the whole bass frequencies.

I have both headphones and to me the Z1R definitely has more bass especially more sub-bass.
To each their own.

 

[SamySquirrel]

Never heard but I do like bass. How is the quality of the bass? I always wanted to hear it and the R10D.

It goes DEEP, like way below sub bass, but the upper bass does resonate at times which gives the bass an interesting sense of sound-stage, it sounds good to my ears, but I can NOT listen to that headphone for more than three hours, the bass just becomes to much. The ear-cups cause he resonance ,and its a very low pitched resonance as wel..

 

[Skev]

Infrasound … damn!

 

[streets112]

I listen to R10P off the TA Z1hes and the bass is definitely hefty to my ears. I have heard MDR Z1R many times off the WM1Z and do not feel it has a heftier or a bigger bass. D9200 and R10P have a bigger and better bass imo. It really depends how you define bass. MDR seems more mid and upper bass focused to my ears but it is no where as expansive as the R10P throughout the whole bass frequencies.

This right here ^ is the perfect example of just how subjective sound is. Two people can listen to same headphone and hear something completely different.

 

[Halimj7]

This right here ^ is the perfect example of just how subjective sound is. Two people can listen to same headphone and hear something completely different.

You are so correct! Also it has a lot to do with source and listening volume level. I usually listen at lower levels. Sources make a huge difference. I have disliked the same headphone I loved on different sources.

 

[SamySquirrel]

You are so correct! Also it has a lot to do with source and listening volume level. I usually listen at lower levels. Sources make a huge difference. I have disliked the same headphone I loved on different sources.

I have yet to try multiple amps.

 

[nioh]

You are so correct! Also it has a lot to do with source and listening volume level. I usually listen at lower levels. Sources make a huge difference. I have disliked the same headphone I loved on different sources.

Exactly my point. Given the right source, cable etc. Z1R beats the HE-R10P in the low end.
IMO, the HE-R10P beats the Z1R only in staging. Everything else they are pretty equal given a matching source and a bit of EQ.

Audio being subjective is one thing, but there’s also facts which do not change. Like frequency response and measurements. Z1R can go much deeper and much higher than the HE-R10P before distorting.

 

[Halimj7]

Exactly my point. Given the right source, cable etc. Z1R beats the HE-R10P in the low end.
IMO, the HE-R10P beats the Z1R only in staging. Everything else they are pretty equal given a matching source and a bit of EQ.

Audio being subjective is one thing, but there’s also facts which do not change. Like frequency response and measurements. Z1R can go much deeper and much higher than the HE-R10P before distorting.

What is the right source? What do you use? For me the right source is what I have and what gives me the sound that I want - in my case Ta Z1hes.

 

[nioh]

What is the right source? What do you use? For me the right source is what I have and what gives me the sound that I want - in my case Ta Z1hes.

For me it's the same - the right source is that when combined with your headphones gives you the sound you like !
That said, if we are talking about which one of the two headphones can go deeper in the bass then obviously the right source here is one that can produce such deep and punchy low ends.

I use different sources for different gear depending on which one sounds best as you said. However if I want to simply test how deep the bass can go on headphones, I can do that with the IFI Zen DAC 3 with the XBass switch and the 70mm dynamic driver in the Z1R shines here ! Even the Hifiman Audivina has more bass response than the HE-R10P.

HE-R10P Frequency Response : 10Hz-60kHz
Sony MDR-Z1R Frequency Response : 4Hz-120kHz

Question for you - Are you using the stock cable that came with the Z1R or is it a different one ?

 

[Halimj7]

For me it's the same - the right source is that when combined with your headphones gives you the sound you like !
That said, if we are talking about which one of the two headphones can go deeper in the bass then obviously the right source here is one that can produce such deep and punchy low ends.

I use different sources for different gear depending on which one sounds best as you said. However if I want to simply test how deep the bass can go on headphones, I can do that with the IFI Zen DAC 3 with the XBass switch and the 70mm dynamic driver in the Z1R shines here ! Even the Hifiman Audivina has more bass response than the HE-R10P.

HE-R10P Frequency Response : 10Hz-60kHz
Sony MDR-Z1R Frequency Response : 4Hz-120kHz

Question for you - Are you using the stock cable that came with the Z1R or is it a different one ?

I heard it with the stock no chance to try the kimber cable

 

[Currawong]

For me it's the same - the right source is that when combined with your headphones gives you the sound you like !
That said, if we are talking about which one of the two headphones can go deeper in the bass then obviously the right source here is one that can produce such deep and punchy low ends.

I use different sources for different gear depending on which one sounds best as you said. However if I want to simply test how deep the bass can go on headphones, I can do that with the IFI Zen DAC 3 with the XBass switch and the 70mm dynamic driver in the Z1R shines here ! Even the Hifiman Audivina has more bass response than the HE-R10P.

HE-R10P Frequency Response : 10Hz-60kHz
Sony MDR-Z1R Frequency Response : 4Hz-120kHz

Those numbers are meaningless. Most of what we hear as bass in music is mid-bass, that is, somewhere around 100-200 Hz. It's easy to test this for yourself with a Loki(us) or EQ that has a low bass shelf. Turn up the left-hand dial or the most left-hand slider respectively while listening to most music, and you'll hear little to no difference.

To hear very low bass, you need to listen to something like a movie soundtrack where they used very low frequencies closer to 20 Hz to bring about a sense of fear in people watching.

The Isvarna are quite mid-bass strong -- my initial impression is that they are quite detailed, but it sounds like the second dial on the Lokius has been turned up. The quality of the extra bass is very good, not harming the mid-range for the most part, but it's a bit too much for taste just running through some random tracks. I need to find some music that works best with this kind of tuning.

It reminds me of an old-school hi-fi system with full-range speakers. Breaking the seal, even slightly, lowers the bass though. I like to sit them on my head so that the bass is reduced very slightly. I wonder if they wouldn't benefit from slightly thicker pads for space in front of the drivers.

I took some pictures with one of the ear pads taken off. They attach via ... wait for it... velcro! They also have a slot for the bass port. Overall, the headphones are surprisingly light.