Stick with the R10P if you need bass. Otherwise, you’ll be disappointed.They are two completely different sounding and performing headphones, get both
HIFIMAN HE-R10 Closed-Back Headphones Discussion & Impressions
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I thought that he6sev2 was good in quality and quantity bass.
Not enought quantity is The problem?
I am confused
You’ll never get the bass from the R10P out of an HE6SE. No matter what.
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Anyone know if the Hifiman Bluetooth module for R10 series requires a custom usb c cable? I’m trying to use one but it won’t charge. Thanks.
Not that I recall. Should work with any usb-c.
Precisely, bass is I like in R10P.
I never listened HE6SE V2 but thought they are similar bass. In this case, better let It go HE6SE V2.
I am looking for an open back similar to R10P
In a quick listen to HE1000SE they seemed to me very good, with great quality and quantity bass.
Somebody R10P owner has listen to HE1000Se and says me if worth It bought both.
It is. Check out my history. Those 2 are my 2 favorite cans. I have 2 pair of each
streets112
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I believe bass & R10P is a very controversial topic. It reminds me a lot of D9200 and its bass. There are plenty of people that would swear that D9200 has plenty of bass, both in quality and quantity. Then there are other people (me included) who go like: "What bass?".
I must have at least 500 hours on R10P, I've listened to it from all kinds of sources and I mean there is bass, it is present, but it's definitely not the star of the show for me (I feel the exact same way about D9200).
R10P is an excellent headphone; for me it's one of the best closed-backs, but the way I hear it, bass is definitely not its strength.
I must have at least 500 hours on R10P, I've listened to it from all kinds of sources and I mean there is bass, it is present, but it's definitely not the star of the show for me (I feel the exact same way about D9200).
R10P is an excellent headphone; for me it's one of the best closed-backs, but the way I hear it, bass is definitely not its strength.
You’re not utilizing EQ, then. Or you’re not powering it. It’s not a subjective issue.
To be clear, what I’m referring to is the headphones’ capabilities, not what it sounds like out of the box on a watt or two with no tone control whatsoever.
streets112
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I can't disagree more - I believe its entirely subjective.
There might be some attributes of the sound of R10P that could be classified as objective, or partially objective - like size of the soundstage or maybe detail retrieval, but definitely not the bass.
My friend, bass is essentially how much air the drivers can move. So, the objectivity of headphone qualities is actually the reverse of what you suggested. Bass is absolutely quantifiable and objective, whereas “detail retrieval” and the like can easily vary from person to person, ceteris paribus.
streets112
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I think that's nonsense.
By that logic, headphone needs to be "bassy" because the driver moves the most amount of air, and then you put it on head and you don't hear it. There's is so much more going on there. You can have source, power, cables, earpads, everything flawless and a person will still go: "There's no bass.". You can have same headphone, same source and two people can hear something completely different. I've seen people add +8 dB low shelf to a headphone I've already considered bassy. How a headphone presents fundamental frequencies is where are most of the differences between listeners and I believe this area is very subjective.
Why I mentioned soundstage and details is because, based on my experience, this is an area where there are far fewer differences. You can ask a person to put a headphone and tell you how clearly can he make out little details in music (plenty of examples like "In the car outside" by The Killers or "Mountains" by Hans Zimmer), how well can they separate individual instruments and voices or just how far does the sound spread, where is the furthest point the sound is coming from and so on. Most people will find a common ground here.
If a headphone has a wide soundstage, most people will hear it, but whether it has enough bass, well that's where you find many disagreements. HD 800s is a perfect example - most people will agree that the soundstage is wide, but when it comes to bass, some will claims it's present and others will claim it's nonexistent.
That's exactly why when someone describes soundstage or details, I'm much more likely to believe that assessment of a headphone, than if someone describes how any of the fundamental frequencies are presented by that headphone.
You’re misleading the forum, I believe unintentionally, and I don’t have the energy to debate you on this, but the fact that you’re able to point to unique anecdotal situations like the HD800’s famous soundstage does not in any way address my point. The HD800 has no bass, why? BECAUSE IT DOESNT MOVE AIR. It’s quite simple, and you’re making it into something that it’s not.
You can hold a pair of planars in your hand earcup to earcup and feel the force generated. That’s objective. That’s provable. Thats even measurable. Can you do that with any of these other qualities you’re talking about?
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