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= HiFiMAN HE-560 Impressions & Discussion Thread =

Discussion in 'Headphones (full-size)' started by jerg, Mar 25, 2014.
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  1. jimbop54
    I’ve recently been listening to my 560’s powered by my 2A3 SET monoblock amps (3.5 watts). Very nice combo!
     
  2. Acke
    Not just damping factor but output current too, even with solid state the amount of power output needed for He560 to sound their best is just absurd in my experience.
    Without proper amplification you wont get the proper planar bass, soundstage will be flatter, overall duller/leaner sound... 560/400i seem to sound more dull/muted with an underpowered amp and therefore more forgiving, unlike dynamics which are generally harsher.

    I could imagine OTL tubes dressing the sound up in way that sounds good, but cant see it being better than them being properly amped
     
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  3. peter123
    Yeah, I think you're right in your assumptions. My Burson Conductor V2+ has more than enough power for them but I do prefer my tube DAC over the internal DAC on the V2+ for the HE560.
     
  4. Guidostrunk
    One of the most overlooked amps for the 560 is the Emotiva bas-x A100. When I had my 560's at the time I was doing A/B testing between the Emo and my Schiit Mjolnir 1&2.
    After 2 months of owning all 3. I felt that the Emo was the better amp to my ears and sold both my Mjolnir 1&2.
    The Emo was just effortless in powering the 560 and 500(with the jumpers in at the headphone Jack).
    Definitely a fantastic amp for planars. For $250 new and shipped free. It's really hard to beat.
    https://emotiva.com/products/a-100
     
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  5. Acke
    that burson looks like it can deliver some real power, not just spec sheet 'power', 1 big toroid transformer for each channel, 4 bridge rectifiers, big low esr nichicon caps... a good power supply is heart of a good amp and they definitely have that much.

    actually didnt realise it had the DAC built in, the other toroid is prob for the DAC
     
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  7. Toby Joe
    Hi everyone, I own the HE560 and I was wondering if anybody here knows what the diaphragm thickness is for these headphones? The HFM website removed a bunch of this information. Is the diaphragm thickness "Ultra Thin" like the HEX, or is it NEO supernano like the Sundara and Ananda, or is it nanometer like the Arya and HEK? Thanks....
     
  8. stimuz
    It really is. Balanced on my 1060c's with the Monoprice 788 -36db is usually bordering on too loud. 560s I can crank it up to -20 depending on the song and I still don't think its as loud.
     
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  9. smy1
    I am about to pull the trigger on the hifiman he560 v2. I took a break from the audio world but I am coming back. Is the v2 and the original he560 the same in terms of sound?? The he560 was suppose to be my semi end game 3 years ago.

    will the magni2 be fine until I get a slightly better amp in the future?
     
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  10. DavidA
    When you say original are you talking about the all wood cups ones? These are quite rare and there are very few impressions from owners.
    V2: Wood veneer with SMC jacks
    V3: Wood veneer with 2.5mm jacks
    V4: no wood veneer with 3.5mm jacks
     
  11. smy1

    Yeah the wooden looking ones, I believe they were the 2.5mm. It has been forever. I saw them for around $500 used maybe 3-4 years ago and they were pretty common and saw them pop up on the used market pretty regularly and can’t believe they are rare now.

    I did decide to pull the trigger on the Adorama he560 v2 like new on amazon. I wonder if they are fitted with v3
     
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  12. DavidA
    If its the $499 price ones I think those are what I'd consider the V3 since they have the wood veneer and old style headband (many had issues with the yoke cracking) but with 2.5mm jacks
     
  13. raoultrifan
    "The most boasted feature of Hifiman Sundara is its Neo “supernano” Diaphragm (NsD) technology. According to the company, this diaphragm design is 80% thinner than the predecessor. The thickness of the diaphragm is only about 1 – 2 microns. In addition, the company claims that this diaphragm design can deliver faster, more accurate frequency response while also providing rich and lush musicality" - source: https://www.thenothingapp.com/hifiman-sundara-vs-he-560/. As HE-560 is a predecessor of Sundara, I assume that it has around 8 microns thickness and it's the "Ultra Thin" Mylar diaphragm.

    "Both sides of the diaphragm are covered with what the company calls an “advanced asymmetrical magnetic circuit” that seeks the optimum balance between efficiency and sound quality as it propels the driver into motion" - source: https://hifiman.com/articles/detail/420. However, maybe someone else has some more info in this regard.

    "Inside is also a new diaphragm that is 80% thinner than the older versions, "which results in a wider frequency response from 6Hz to 76kHz at 37 ohms and 94dB sensitivity." These indeed fit very nicely on my head and first impressions were very positive (I'd need to spend more time with these to properly evaluate)" - source: https://magnahifi.com/en/webshop/pr...lanar-magnetic-headphones/category_pathway-55.

    Also, looks like in the new NsD (NEO supernano diaphragm) the bar magnets are arrayed only on one side of the diaphragm, while the previous "Ultra Thin" technology has bar magnets arrayed on both side (source: https://www.hifinews.com/content/hifiman-sundara-headphones, but the magnets can be seen on manufacturer's pictures).

    By looking at Tyll's measurements https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANSundara.pdf vs. https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/HiFiMANHE5602014.pdf I see that bass reproduction at both 30Hz and 300Hz are about identical and very good as well, but above 4KHz distortions are higher on the Sundara and also the phase is a bit off few degrees to (not a concern, of course).

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    The trebles energy delivered by Sundara is a bit higher on the 9KHz
    (Source: https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/hifiman/sundara/).​
     
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  14. raoultrifan
    I've seen questions regarding a good pairing amp for the HE-560, so I got perfect match with:
    - Matrix HPA-3B (in both balanced and unbalanced operation)
    - Burson PLAY
    - Burson PLAYMATE
    - Burson FUN
    - Burson CV2+ (unbalanced)
    - Burson C3X (in both balanced and unbalanced operation)

    I also got a decent match with the ASUS Essence One as well, but sometimes the amount of power and gain needed by HE-560 was just not enough for me.
    Objective2 was a decent match as well, but same as ASUS E1, sometimes the amount of power needed was just not enough.
     
  15. peter123
    That's a lot of "perfect matches" in one post :wink:

    Personally I'm not crazy about the V2+ painting with the HE560 using it's internal DAC, I prefer a tube DAC connected to it.

    I wasn't impressed with the O2 pairing either.

    As always YMMV.....
     
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