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Hearing aids and headphones

Discussion in 'Headphones (full-size)' started by langrath, Feb 9, 2005.
  1. Langrath
    I have now got the diagnosis presbyacusis. That is hearing loss due to age. Now I understand why people nowadays talk so inarticulated. [​IMG]
    The hearing loss wasn't very small either. It was in higher midrange and treble.
    So take my earlier reviews of headphones with a grain of salt. [​IMG]
    Anyway. I shall get so called “Allinone hearing aid”. That is canal phone and microphone in one. It is as a little bulb outside ear canal with speakers into the ear canal.

    They are the best that they had. I don't want to be stingy in such a thing. I am still working in a profession and only (?) 63 years. They cost about $1700. Rather expensive headphones.

    Is there anyone that has experience if such devices are possible to combine with headphones? They have three settings. Speech, Music and magnet coil.
    Or do I have to take them away every time I listen to headphones? Or can I use the magnet coil in any way?

    I haven't got them yet. Only preparing mentally.

    Any comments?

    Georg
     
  2. jlingo Contributor
    First I would like to apologize, I didn't realize you were a doctor when I was typing this message, you probably know more about hearing Aid. Anyhow:


    Hi My dad is actually a maniac audiophile, and he also has a very severe hearing loss in the mid and high area.
    So the day when I got my Impression to order Sensaphonics, my dad got his impression to get a hearing Aid. It's Acuris E2E wireless(By Siemens) costs AUD$9600/pair, the audiologist recommended him this type since he is so much in love with music. It's the top of the line hearing aid, supposedly. Well, since my dad has I think an over $200,000.- music room at home, so I think it's only wise to get top of the line Hearing Aid. That's how the reason why audiologist recommended him with this hearing Aid.
    http://www.mmu.co.id/avantgarde.jpg
    This website is slow, but I'm not really good at posting picture sorry.

    The hearing aid is capable of synchronizing between one another. so if you change program with the left ear, it will also change with the right ear.
    Basically there will be three programs, One is for Speech, which concentrates on clarity(sibilance), Second program is for Noise reduction, and then third program is for Music(Wide-Bandwidth so detailed awesome).

    The other day my dad went to see IMAX, and he was sooo happy, he was finally able to hear the full sound spectrum. The Bass is so deep and tight, the high is soo detailed and the mid is soo sweet. Finally now my dad is back on track with his music hobby. Hearing aids have advanced so much, and getting one of the top of the line hearing aids is so worth it especially if you have a very high quality headphones or speakers.

    Acuris is able to control volume, so when you listen to something very loud, it automatically turns down the volume, so you won't further damage your ears.
    You may have to adjust your first program at your audiologist, my dad found it to have way too much Sibilance which could be adjusted by the audiologist by playing around with the equalizer, but program 3(for music) is sooo good, but it's soo sensitive, you can almost hear every single noise, sort of having a Bionic Ear, which is pretty cool. When he increases the volume manually, my dad's hearing becomes sharper than my normal hearing ability. Also with this hearing aid, it's computerized automatically like AI, so you can locate the position where the sound is coming from. Cheaper Hearing Aids cannot locate sound positions, only magnify the sound.

    Ok about your questions with hearing aids and heaphones. Cheaper hearing aids have problem with headphones because of feedback. You know the sound when you put the microphone closer to the speaker(yiiiiiii), anyhow, Acuris, has AI that cancels this sound, so you can still enjoy your headphones. My dad has tried them with Bose QC2, and HD600, Orpheus, with no problem, and he enjoyed them. Again it's soo so alive, sweet, detailed, full, I can go on and on and on.

    I don't know what is Magnet Coil, though.

    And uh, you can read the rest in the website. Bottom line, it's soo awesome that my dad loves it so much.
    http://www.siemens-hearing.com/consu.../aboute2e.aspx [​IMG]
     
  3. Lisa Contributor
    Sorry to hear about your hearing loss. [​IMG] Got nothing sensible to recommend. I think the best thing you could do is ask your ear dokter. Don't want to damage your hearing by doing the wrong thing.

    'Cause I'm thinking equalisation might be an option for headphones. Boost the frequenties that you hear at lower volumes so you'd get a more accurate sound and don't need to wear the hearing aid and headphones toghether. But I wouldn't do that without asking the specialist first.
     
  4. Langrath
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlingo
    Hi My dad is actually a maniac audiophile, and he also has a very severe hearing loss in the mid and high area.
    So the day when I got my Impression to order Sensaphonics, my dad got his impression to get a hearing Aid. It's Acuris E2E wireless(By Siemens) costs AUD$9600/pair, the audiologist recommended him this type since he is so much in love with music. It's the top of the line hearing aid, supposedly. Well, since my dad has I think an over $200,000.- music room at home, so I think it's only wise to get top of the line Hearing Aid. That's how the reason why audiologist recommended him with this hearing Aid.
    http://www.mmu.co.id/avantgarde.jpg

    The hearing aid is capable of synchronizing between one another. so if you change program with the left ear, it will also change with the right ear.
    Basically there will be three programs, One is for Speech, which concentrates on clarity(sibilance), Second program is for Noise reduction, and then third program is for Music(Wide-Bandwidth so detailed awesome).

    The other day my dad went to see IMAX, and he was sooo happy, he was finally able to hear the full sound spectrum. The Bass is so deep and tight, the high is soo detailed and the mid is soo sweet. Finally now my dad is back on track with his music hobby. Hearing aids have advanced so much, and getting one of the top of the line hearing aids is so worth it especially if you have a very high quality headphones or speakers.

    Acuris is able to control volume, so when you listen to something very loud, it automatically turns down the volume, so you won't further damage your ears.
    You may have to adjust your first program at your audiologist, my dad found it to have way too much Sibilance which could be adjusted by the audiologist by playing around with the equalizer, but program 3(for music) is sooo good, but it's soo sensitive, you can almost hear every single noise, sort of having a Bionic Ear, which is pretty cool. When he increases the volume manually, my dad's hearing becomes sharper than my normal hearing ability. Also with this hearing aid, it's computerized automatically like AI, so you can locate the position where the sound is coming from. Cheaper Hearing Aids cannot locate sound positions, only magnify the sound.

    Ok about your questions with hearing aids and heaphones. Cheaper hearing aids have problem with headphones because of feedback. You know the sound when you put the microphone closer to the speaker(yiiiiiii), anyhow, Acuris, has AI that cancels this sound, so you can still enjoy your headphones. My dad has tried them with Bose QC2, and HD600, Orpheus, with no problem, and he enjoyed them. Again it's soo so alive, sweet, detailed, full, I can go on and on and on.

    I don't know what is Magnet Coil, though.

    And uh, you can read the rest in the website. Bottom line, it's soo awesome that my dad loves it so much.
    http://www.siemens-hearing.com/consu.../aboute2e.aspx [​IMG]




    Thank you for your encouraging message. I am glad to get head aids ironically enough. I have lived in a strange world last year. People talk around me and I don't understand what they say. I thought I had begun to get beginning dementia. That was at least not the whole explanation. Strange enough I didn't get that it was hearing loss from me until now. You will think that you always are young. To loss the fun with girls in older age is sad, but acceptable. To not be able to enjoy headphone listening on the other hand is a catastrophe. [​IMG]
    If it as you said that I could have my earphones on, it would do everything much easier. I can hear my family at dinner, then listen to headphones without putting them out and in. I hope and believe that you are right. The problem is that your father’s hearing aid costs more than 10 times mine! I could never afford that. But nevertheless they said to me that my hearing aid should be very good. At least it costs 4 times the cheapest one. Thank you, for the moment you have comforted me.

    Georg
     
  5. jlingo Contributor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Langrath
    Thank you for your encouraging message. I am glad to get head aids ironically enough. I have lived in a strange world last year. People talk around me and I don't understand what they say. I thought I had begun to get beginning dementia. That was at least not the whole explanation. Strange enough I didn't get that it was hearing loss from me until now. You

    Georg




    First I would like to apologize, I didn't realize you were a doctor when I was typing this message, you probably know more about hearing Aid

    Georg, I really hope you are very happy with your hearing Aid. I feel sad about my dad too after hearing loss. Because we used to share music passion(Cables, Amps, Upgrades)together with me and ever since his hearing loss, it hit him pretty bad. You know like you mentioned Catastrophy.

    So I have been doing a lot research trying to help out my dad. And I'm actually very glad, that he really enjoys his hearing Aid although, it is very expensive, but then, his music gadget is also already expensive, so it's only wise to get the best.

    The first thing that you will notice when you first use your hearing aid, is that everything may sound sooo loud and noisy. That's because usually you never hear those sounds and all the sudden you can hear so many sounds and details, so it seems loud. My audiologist said it was normal. You can turn down the standard volume as a start, and increase them gradually to a standard specified volume. If too much sibilance, you should ask your audiologist to fine tune it.

    Also, the worst part of hearing aid, is to hear your own voice. it sounds unnatural. Your own voice sounded like your nose blocked. But that's ok, it's normal. Other than that, the atmosphere should sound superb, amazing clarity, close to natural.

    If your environment is too noisy like restaurant, shopping mall, you can turn on your noise reduction mode program 2. Directional microphone will automatically turned on which works very well.

    So I wish you luck. And I hope that your hearing aid will have the same effect to you as it did to my dad.
     
  6. Langrath
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lisa
    Sorry to hear about your hearing loss. [​IMG] Got nothing sensible to recommend. I think the best thing you could do is ask your ear dokter. Don't want to damage your hearing by doing the wrong thing.

    'Cause I'm thinking equalisation might be an option for headphones. Boost the frequenties that you hear at lower volumes so you'd get a more accurate sound and don't need to wear the hearing aid and headphones toghether. But I wouldn't do that without asking the specialist first.




    Thank you Lisa for your empathy. Yes equalizing headphones is possibly a good idea. The problem is that I have no reference. You think that the sound shall sound as you get used to. But I now know that I loose a large number of details. This Christmas I didn’t hear the bells from the rotating thing with angels and bells and candles. I first thought something was wrong with the device itself.
    The best is if I can get equalization with the hearing aid itself. If not your equalization idea is a good suggestion, I think.

    Georg
     
  7. jlingo Contributor
    Georg,

    The audiologist will know the kind of dB boost you required and in which frequency region. He will bring it up all to a normal flatest level possible. So you don't need to EQ the headphone.
     
  8. Langrath
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jlingo
    First I would like to apologize, I didn't realize you were a doctor when I was typing this message, you probably know more about hearing Aid



    No reason for apologize. My speciality has nothing to do with hearing. I think you know more about it than me.
    Thank you anyway.

    Georg
     
  9. Lisa Contributor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Langrath
    Thank you Lisa for your empathy. Yes equalizing headphones is possibly a good idea. The problem is that I have no reference. You think that the sound shall sound as you get used to. But I now know that I loose a large number of details. This Christmas I didn’t hear the bells from the rotating thing with angels and bells and candles. I first thought something was wrong with the device itself.
    The best is if I can get equalization with the hearing aid itself. If not your equalization idea is a good suggestion, I think.

    Georg




    Our rotating thing with angels and bells and candles has been broken for years now. [​IMG] [​IMG]


    Good luck. And let us/me know how everything works out! [​IMG]
     
  10. cocodear
    This may not be the correct place to post this but:  I'm categorized as severely hard of hearing and I wear hearing aids.  I have both behind-the-ear and in-the-ear types.  I have a terrible time with headphones as I need the hearing aids to hear with.  Headphones hurt because of the pressure from the headphones on the hearing aids.  It's not as bad with behind-the-ear hearing aids but it still hurts.  The other thing that happens is feedback when anything is near my hearing aids, particularly the in-the-ear kind.  When I wear headphones w/out hearing aids I have to turn everything up to very loud That causes the sound to dissort and I still cannot hear the higher decibels.  And the people around me hear the sounds which are loud to them.  I do need to hear sounds as close to possible as to what a normal hearing person.  I usually end up just holding an earphone to one ear and/or propping it w/my shoulder.  I favor my right ear and I'm right handed.  So when I have to write something I usually end up dropping something, looking inept, and having to repeat.  I have searched and search for some kind of solution.  Scientist figured out how to send people to the moon and are now working on how to get a person to a planet.  How come they can't figure out how to create headsets for people who wear hearing aids.  Or, if there is anything that might actually work it's very expensive.
     
  11. teb1013
    I wear behind the ear receiver in the ear (RITE) aides. They work fine with my Senn HD558s so long as I am careful in positioning them. Otherwise they push the reset buttons on the back of the aides. Sometimes I leave the aides out and turn up the amp a bit although this probably isn't the best way of listening.
     

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