Headphones for Monitoring
Aug 30, 2002 at 2:23 AM Post #17 of 23
Oh! Terribly sorry, I thought that I had read that somewhere. Maybe I just saw them on clearance and thought that--who knows...it's a wonder I can even manage to bang out complete sentences. Sorry for any misunderstandings!

Peace and Sony confusion, BeeEss
 
Aug 30, 2002 at 1:20 PM Post #18 of 23
Originally posted by a1leyez0nm3



are you crazy?!?!?!?! the sennheiser buds are no where near the quality of Sony V6!!! the V6 is a great headphone to monitor/record with!!!!!


I'm not talking about quality here. I see that everyone here is recommending the Sony's to this guy since it's the "standard" in the studio and "everyone" uses them. I got mine for the same reason. I actually have TWO MDR-7506s in my studio.

Not trying to offend anyone here, but I can't help but wonder how many of the people who've replied to this thread recommending the 7506 have actually used them for extended mixing sessions. Sure they sound great, but they simply have TOO MUCH BASS. And I'm certainly not alone here, as this sentiment is shared by almost everyone who comments on these cans. Too much bass on your reference cans for mixing and mastering means two things: Tired ears, and a not enough bass in the final mix.

Keep in mind that I did recommend the Sonys for intermediate work, and this is what I do personally. But I honestly feel that once you get to the final stages of mixing and mastering, the Senns will give you a MUCH flatter overall response than the Sonys, as well as allowing you to work more without tiring out your ears. And that's a lot more important than whether or not one set of cans are of higher "quality" than the other.
 
Sep 8, 2002 at 9:52 AM Post #19 of 23
here's what i do when i'm mixing, I try to mix at night when there are no noise. Unfortunately, this is not possible when there are other people in the house trying to sleep.
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but who cares, my mixes are more important
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hehehehe, j/k

Editing... cutting/splicing with computer or tape: HD600 for orchestral stuff, HD600 and V6 for other (rock, pop) this is pretty obvious. I use both speaker monitors (not loud) and headphones when i edit.

mixing... blending. Here's what i usually do. Day time: get basic good balance, leave it and tweak it later. For pop/rock stuff, i use EVERYTHING. I mean everything!! b/c the end listeners will use everything. so i test my balance with (after i tweak the previs mix) car stereo (cd or iBook into headunit wth 1/8 input), boom box (3), v6, hd600, ear buds, cheap 15 dollar sony.. anything i can get my hands on.

generally, when you're at the mixing stage of the process, you should be able to monitor via a good set of monitor speaker that you trust. but do learn to adapt to a pair of headphones to compensate when you ca't use your speakers. It doesn't really matter what brand of headphones you use, as long as you pick up on the "compensation" part. I know a guy that mixes with this cheap 30 dollar sony/generic phones that he bought at a swapmeet. but he knows how to get the sound he wanted b/c he knew how to componsate.
 
Sep 8, 2002 at 6:00 PM Post #20 of 23
The V6's and 240 (7506) are clearly the most common in studio use as far as monitoring goes but when it comes to mixing I think that is much better done on conventional speakers. As far as monitoring goes they are fine.

When it comes to mixing I can't see using a pair of headphones unless you know exactly how they sound and have had them tested and then I would only use them for reference in the same way Wagnerite recommends checking final mixes everything possible.

I don't record that much anymore (well, up until very recently, at least) when I did everyone involved took copies home of the final mixes and played them on every conceivable system (particularly car radios) just to get an idea of what they would sound like to the consumer. Some producers carry an assortment of speakers around with them on every master session so they can refernce a recording against spekers they are personally very familiar with.

I hope that helps.





Best
Brian
 
Sep 8, 2002 at 6:33 PM Post #21 of 23
Sep 8, 2002 at 6:44 PM Post #22 of 23
Quote:

Originally posted by JZC
Not trying to offend anyone here, but I can't help but wonder how many of the people who've replied to this thread recommending the 7506 have actually used them for extended mixing sessions. Sure they sound great, but they simply have TOO MUCH BASS. And I'm certainly not alone here, as this sentiment is shared by almost everyone who comments on these cans. Too much bass on your reference cans for mixing and mastering means two things: Tired ears, and a not enough bass in the final mix.



Where's Mike Walker to respond to this blasphemy?
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Sep 8, 2002 at 7:31 PM Post #23 of 23
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Originally posted by JZC
The first thing you want to remember when making your decision is that headphones that sound the best are not the headphones that you should use to mix and master with. People tend to enjoy extra bass and treble in their music, so a lot of headphones come with hyped responses in this range. You don't want to master or mix with "biased" cans, because that's going to translate into your track.

I personally own a Grado SR-80, Sony MDR-7506, Koss KSC-35 and Sennheiser MX-500, and of those, I would probably pick the Sennheisers to do most of the mixing with, even though they sound the worst. The Grados have too much treble, and the Sony and Koss have too much bass.

In the end, the only piece of equipment that can ensure that you have a flat, balanced mix is a good set of studio monitors. I'm actually in a similar situation as you, because I do a lot of my work at night, when the neighbors (and girlfriend) are asleep. I do a lot of my work with my Sonys (as they are sealed and won't wake up my girlfriend), but since they are so heavy on the bass they tire my ears out pretty quickly. When this happens I switch to the Sennheisers. Whatever the case, I make sure I do my final EQ and mastering with my studio monitors.

The bottom line is, you really shouldn't mix and master using headphones.
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If you need one RIGHT THIS MINUTE, the Senns can be had from places like buy.com or amazon for under 20$.


You is cracked
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The 7506 looked like a good phone to me. The 280's are fine for monitoring too - final mixes ought to come out nicely on a 280. The DT250's I got were faulty, so pending the arrival of a replacement, I can't comment.
 

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