Grado SR60i or SR80i?
Jan 17, 2010 at 7:02 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 22

chunkfnk

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Okay well, I'm still on the hunt for my first pair of headphones. I've decided I'll start off with some closed cans for everyday outside use. So, I'll be getting the Sony MDR-v6 (With the beyerdynamic pad mod) soon. Now I'm thinking about getting some open ones after that (I'm afraid I've sunken into the hole...). I heard the Grado's are great so I was wondering if I should give them a shot. I need something under $110. So, my main question is, should I get the SR60i or the SR80i? I'll be using it unamped straight out of my iPod and computer. I've heard that the sr60i's are better unamped than the sr80i's? Is that true? Or should I just go for the SR80i's? I mainly listen to Rock and trance.
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Jan 17, 2010 at 7:05 AM Post #2 of 22
You should definately go for the SR 80i, no questions asked.

And what you have heard is not right.

The SR 80i are definitely worth the little extra in price, what you will get is better detail and a wider soundstage.
 
Jan 17, 2010 at 7:13 AM Post #3 of 22
I think SR60i is better unamped than a SR80i. This is just an assumption.
Cos the higher the Grado model, the more it needs an amp, as many headfier said out there.
And based on my experience, my beloved SR60 unamped and amped with my PA2V2 seems very similar in sound quality.
Chunkfnk, if you want an unamped Grado, I assume SR60i is better choice than SR80i.
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Jan 17, 2010 at 7:27 AM Post #5 of 22
I would go straight for the SR80 or better. I remember not being impressed with the SR60, but its not bad for the price. You don't need an amp to run these headphones. Most owners I personally know just drive them straight out of their source.
 
Jan 17, 2010 at 7:29 AM Post #6 of 22
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I would go straight for the SR80 or better. I remember not being impressed with the SR60, but its not bad for the price. You don't need an amp to run these headphones. Most owners I personally know just drive them straight out of their source.


The amp really come in the picture with the SR 325is upwards,having said that all Grado Headphones are easily driven without any amp, but to really appreciate the finer details that appear from 325is onwards you need the amp.
 
Jan 17, 2010 at 10:06 AM Post #7 of 22
The SR80s work brilliantly with my iphone and my laptop. They're heaps of fun to listen to, even with an ipod-type-device. Soundstage gets a bit wider when I connect them to the amp, but not enough to make their performance with portable gear look bad...
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Jan 17, 2010 at 10:30 AM Post #8 of 22
MS-1i haha. Go for the SR-80i if you cannot find the MS-1, or at least for under $110. Don't listen to VALIENTE. As soon as a thread comes up with something like should I get Grado SR-60 or something else? He instantly says get the SR-60, same goes for the K701. Grado's do not need an amp TBH. Well, at least the prestige series doesn't. I used to have a SR-225 and an amp was not needed, tubes made it sound better, yes, but is not needed.
 
Jan 17, 2010 at 2:53 PM Post #9 of 22
GRADOS SOUND BETTER AMPED! I've owned/heard everything in the non (i) Pretige line. Yesterday I went to a fellow Head-Fi'ers house so we could listen to each other's rigs. He has the 80i and we both agreed that the improvement with amping is not subtle. And that's with two different amps, a laptop, two DAPs, and several types of encoding/compression used in the A/B comparisons.

That said, I've always stated that Grados scale nicely when moving up the line. I believe that with the exception of the 325is, which in my opinion is too shrill, each move is a significant improvement in refinement, extension and overall quality. Although they will sound great when used straight from a source, they sound much better amped.

I'd buy the highest model you can afford (the 80i per OP) and plan on an amp in the future. The MS1(i) is also a good option for the same price as the 80(i) with similar performance of the 125(i) with slightly tamed treble.
 
Jan 17, 2010 at 3:38 PM Post #10 of 22
Look at this graph:
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I've owned both the SR60 and the SR80 (but not the i- versions). The graph shows the difference I noticed between the two cans. The 60 has more bass through 100 Hz. It has slightly more midrange presence through 500 Hz. The 80 has slightly more upper midrange between 500 Hz and 2 kHz. Between 3 kHz and 4 kHz, the 80 spikes where the 60 troughs - with a higher spike (5 dB) than the 60's trough (-3 dB). From 5 kHz to 10 kHz, the 80 has the larger spike. This makes the 80 the brighter can. The question is: Do you need a brighter Grado?

Look at this graph:
bilavideo-albums-sr60-versus-sr80-picture4499-sr60v80v800.png


Comparing the two Grados with the Sennheiser HD600 (a beloved Sennheiser can), the 60 still has more lower bass but the major difference between the Grados and the Sennheiser is in their HF spike compared to the Sennheiser's rolled-off highs. Where the HD800 pulls back 2-5 dB at the high end, the Grados spike as much as 6 dB for the 60 and as much as 8 dB for the 80.

I'm not here to present Sennheiser as the standard. That's not why I brought the HD600 into the conversation. It's just that the Grados offer a clear "house sound" as an alternative to the Senns. The Sennheisers roll off the highs (which allows Senn lovers to crank their cans up louder, for better or worse). The Grados spike the HF, which allows the user to enjoy the music at a lower volume (because louder can grate). The question I would pose is whether you want more spike if you've got plenty of it already.

If you're one of those people who see the numbers - 60, 80, 125, 225, 325 - and readily think that the higher the number the better the sound, by all means: Buy the 80s. That's what I did when I bought my first Grados. I figured, for a few dollars more, I'd get better cans - or at least buy myself some peace of mind. This was back when the 60s came in the S-Cush and the 80s came in the L-Cush. The difference in pads makes a lot of difference, perhaps all the difference. If your ear is right up against the driver, you're going to get more bass and a little less HF. If your ear is pushed a little further away - with no material covering the grill - you'll get a little less bass but a little more HF.

But now, both cans come in the flatter S-Cush pads. This means the differences between the phones may no longer matter. The new SR-80i may have a tweaked driver and/or a tweaked cable (all the Grados are supposed to have gone through driver and wiring tweaks) - but in terms of the cushion, the SR80i is closer to the SR60 than the old SR80.

You might consider taking the difference in price and simply buying the L-Cush pads, which will give you a more open HF. I put more stock in the pads than I do in the numbers Grado assigns to its products.
 
Jan 17, 2010 at 3:50 PM Post #11 of 22
Like stang said, the MS1(i).

I was in the same boat, and I chose the MS1.
 
Jan 17, 2010 at 6:57 PM Post #14 of 22
Well, you guys certainly helped me make a decision. I'll be getting the Sony's in a couple weeks, and then the SR80i's about three weeks after that. I never thought I'd ever spend this much on headphones! Anyone know any good sites to buy them from? Reputable and cheap? And should I buy the L-pads and put them on? Or will they not fit? Sorry about all these noob questions.
 
Jan 17, 2010 at 7:16 PM Post #15 of 22
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Well, you guys certainly helped me make a decision. I'll be getting the Sony's in a couple weeks, and then the SR80i's about three weeks after that. I never thought I'd ever spend this much on headphones! Anyone know any good sites to buy them from? Reputable and cheap? And should I buy the L-pads and put them on? Or will they not fit? Sorry about all these noob questions.


Try the Sales Forum here for a nice preowned pair. As for the bowls try TTVJ or Headroom. Good luck!
 

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