[jawang]

I'm looking for good high impedence closed headphones under 300 dollars used (cheaper the better because I'm a student and literally skipping meals for the money)

-high impedence because I'll be running them amped and I feel like low impedence phones don't sound much better with an amp. this probably sounds crazy, but ill probably prefer something that is literally unlistenable without an amp
-closed because i feel like these often have tighter and more impactful bass than open headphones

I'm looking at some of the audio technicas right now (a700, a900, w1000). does anyone know how these compare with dt770s and sr60s?
edit: I realize the ATs are low impedence, but thats why I'm asking for help finding stuff to look at

 

[Drubbing]

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Originally Posted by jawang /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm looking for good high impedence closed headphones under 300 dollars used (cheaper the better because I'm a student and literally skipping meals for the money) -high impedence because I'll be running them amped and I feel like low impedence phones don't sound much better with an amp.

Fine if you have a preference, but there are phnoes that are just as good as high imp ones, and very often they happen to be a lot cheaper. Which means you can eat regualrly and not pass out listening to music on the phones you couldn't afford.

What's not to like?

Even so, at less than your budget I'd suggest the DT250/80ohm. You can buy the 250ohm, but they don't sound any better, they just need an amp to sound the same as the 80.

 

[oqvist]

Okay so it´s okay if they sound crap as long as it´s high impedance and it sounds decent amped lol

I don´t know but German maestro make some 300$ closed headphone in the GMP 400? I haven´t heard that one though.

 

[jawang]

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Originally Posted by oqvist /img/forum/go_quote.gif Okay so it´s okay if they sound crap as long as it´s high impedance and it sounds decent amped lol I don´t know but German maestro make some 300$ closed headphone in the GMP 400? I haven´t heard that one though.

No, it's not okay if they sound like crap.

I thought I was fairly clear in the OP... I prefer high impedence/closed because in my experience, they tend to give the sound I am looking for.

If there is a low impedence, open headphone that gives the same sound, I'd be interested in them too

 

[Drubbing]

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Originally Posted by jawang /img/forum/go_quote.gif No, it's not okay if they sound like crap. If there is a low impedence, open headphone that gives the same sound, I'd be interested in them too

There won't be any, closed don't sound the same as open.

I disagree with your perception that high impedance phones sound better, my example of the two DT250 is one example of this simply not being the case. And it is a perception, as it sounds like its something you've heard, or you've just made your mind up about, with no actual experience to rationalise it. Just because a lower impedance phone may not improve much with an amp doesn't mean it's not any good.

Maybe you have had experience of low impedance phones, and they may have been as good as high impedance, but that's dependent on the phones, not the impedance itself.

 

[Gbjerke]

So you want high impedance headphones that are closed. Thats a lot of info. You know how many you could find for 300 bucks that have that? State loads of important stuff! Signature, warm cold, bright, dark, much bass, balanced sound less bass, strong treble, lean backed treble. Genres, source, amp, all of that. im tired having to post this on these people needing advice on headphones. we cant help you if we dont know what you want.

doing something like this

I messed up buying my first one, NC was not at all something I needed, and what can i say, i bought them before i knew of this site. Anyways Now im prolly just gonna pass them on to my brother for like 100 bucks and be done with it.

Help me figure out a better match for me and have me not trying to justify my purchase, or atleast help.

Budget: -$350
Source: 160 gig iPod Classic / iPod Touch G2 16gig [Lossless]
Amp(iPod - LOD): - iBasso P3+
Type: Over, or if you can convince me, on ear, Closed
Comfort: Very important, replacable earpads would be nice.
Isolation: Its got to be worth getting a closed pair for, and the less leackage the better.
Signature: A little bit of everything. No exaggerated bass, treble or mids for that matter. I want it to sound as natural as possible. I find the P3+ a bit bright and cold, so if There is a slightly warm and darker 'phone, that would be great.
Genres:
40/100 - Rock/Alternative
40/100 - Electronica/Dance/Breakbeat/DnB/Trip - Hop/Lounge
10/100 - Soul/(RnB)
10/100 - Pop, Late 80's early 90's

So judging from that i want a pretty balanced sound. Still though I do believe that I need some good, noticable bass.

For the headphone it self, its SQ>Signature>Comfort

The P3+ should be able to power some pretty heavy cans. As its amp and power is arguably the same as the D10.

Of course i understand that for 350$ these goals are hard to reach. I feel like i need some darker and warmer headphones as i find the ones i have now to amplify hissing noises of fans etc. because of the treble. Ive tried equalizing but then again, that just sounds boring and lifeless.

Hope this was enough info. If not, I'll add whatever you request.

Sincerely


Instead will give you a lot better results, maybe not at replies, but at your headphone

 

[oqvist]

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Originally Posted by jawang /img/forum/go_quote.gif No, it's not okay if they sound like crap. I thought I was fairly clear in the OP... I prefer high impedence/closed because in my experience, they tend to give the sound I am looking for. If there is a low impedence, open headphone that gives the same sound, I'd be interested in them too

But then I am lost... sound quality is not determined weither they have low or high impedance??? And there is low impedance headphone that sounds crap unamped too of course. You get more volume yes but they don´t sound any better

. I have several of those

 

[jawang]

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Originally Posted by Gbjerke /img/forum/go_quote.gif So you want high impedance headphones that are closed. Thats a lot of info. You know how many you could find for 300 bucks that have that? State loads of important stuff! Signature, warm cold, bright, dark, much bass, balanced sound less bass, strong treble, lean backed treble. Genres, source, amp, all of that. im tired having to post this on these people needing advice on headphones. we cant help you if we dont know what you want. doing something like this I messed up buying my first one, NC was not at all something I needed, and what can i say, i bought them before i knew of this site. Anyways Now im prolly just gonna pass them on to my brother for like 100 bucks and be done with it. Help me figure out a better match for me and have me not trying to justify my purchase, or atleast help. Budget: -$350 Source: 160 gig iPod Classic / iPod Touch G2 16gig [Lossless] Amp(iPod - LOD): - iBasso P3+ Type: Over, or if you can convince me, on ear, Closed Comfort: Very important, replacable earpads would be nice. Isolation: Its got to be worth getting a closed pair for, and the less leackage the better. Signature: A little bit of everything. No exaggerated bass, treble or mids for that matter. I want it to sound as natural as possible. I find the P3+ a bit bright and cold, so if There is a slightly warm and darker 'phone, that would be great. Genres: 40/100 - Rock/Alternative 40/100 - Electronica/Dance/Breakbeat/DnB/Trip - Hop/Lounge 10/100 - Soul/(RnB) 10/100 - Pop, Late 80's early 90's So judging from that i want a pretty balanced sound. Still though I do believe that I need some good, noticable bass. For the headphone it self, its SQ>Signature>Comfort The P3+ should be able to power some pretty heavy cans. As its amp and power is arguably the same as the D10. Of course i understand that for 350$ these goals are hard to reach. I feel like i need some darker and warmer headphones as i find the ones i have now to amplify hissing noises of fans etc. because of the treble. Ive tried equalizing but then again, that just sounds boring and lifeless. Hope this was enough info. If not, I'll add whatever you request. Sincerely Instead will give you a lot better results, maybe not at replies, but at your headphone

I understand what you're saying, and it's definitely a good point,

but my goal with this thread was just to get find new models that I can search and study. I'm extremely open minded to different sound signatures, I just want high quality for the money I spend

I don't think it would be helpful to list genres that I listen to, because I literally listen to everything. I know everybody says this, but I seriously mean it. I have playlists that have classical syphonies, followed by death scream metal, then gangster rap, then modern jpop, then eurotrance, then who knows what...

 

[nickchen]

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Originally Posted by Drubbing /img/forum/go_quote.gif Even so, at less than your budget I'd suggest the DT250/80ohm. You can buy the 250ohm, but they don't sound any better, they just need an amp to sound the same as the 80.

I've only crossed them superficially, but it's vice versa. The 250 ohm version is a lot better than the 80 ohm version.

To OP: Cans that are "unlistenable" without "proper" amplification don't exist, apart from vintage exots such as K1000 or K340. Even most actual 250 or 300 ohm monsters provide approx. 85-90% of what they are able to out of almost any zero ohm plug. The differences between amped & umamped tend to be exagerrated in nerd hifi forums.

 

[moonboy403]

I also have yet to hear any can that's "unlistenable" without an amp.

However, there's one can that has a high impedance and is closed though: Beyer DT770 600ohms (Manufaktur). That's about as high as you can get impedance wise.

 

[nickchen]

...and even that DT770'600 behaved acceptably when being driven right out of my Sansa e280

 

[Gbjerke]

I dont get why so many make a mess out of this. He asks for high impedance for some reason, really that isnt the only thing that makes something needfy of an amp. And ofc he just wants to use his amp that he bought to its full potential. And for him its probably better to buy hard to drive cans, since he has an amp already.

 

[Drubbing]

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Originally Posted by nickchen /img/forum/go_quote.gif I've only crossed them superficially, but it's vice versa. The 250 ohm version is a lot better than the 80 ohm version.

Rubbish. I've listened to both prior to purchase as I wanted to answer the same question. And the guy who sold them to me has also done his own testing, as he owns a headphone store, and has needed to answer this question a million times for potential buyers, and he's found no difference whatsoever between them either.

But hey, you've crossed them superficially...

 

[Tiemen]

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Originally Posted by moonboy403 /img/forum/go_quote.gif However, there's one can that has a high impedance and is closed though: Beyer DT770 600ohms (Manufaktur). That's about as high as you can get impedance wise.

Yup, and they are very good. A bit too good for my taste, because they revealed too much of what a crappy CD collection I have...

 

[hifidk]

One more vote for DT770 600 ohms but I can't imagine they would sound like garbage without an amp. Is there any other headphones in this price range that is above 300 ohms anyways? I can't think of any.