Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Aug 28, 2022 at 12:35 PM Post #47,416 of 50,524

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You already have the A40???
I got my A40 yesterday but the left earphone won’t charge. 😩 I’m sure Soundcore will make it right but it’s still frustrating.
 

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Aug 28, 2022 at 4:03 PM Post #47,418 of 50,524

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OK, am I doing something wrong?

I was listening to my AZ60 and enjoying enjoying "An Ancient Muse" by Loreena Mckennit and noticed the deep bass in a couple of songs. So switched to the Linkbuds S and the bass more subdued but the amount of detail was way more than the AZ60.

I then switched to LDAC on the Linkbuds because I use LDAC on the AZ60 and suddenly the detail dropped more like the AZ60 and the bass increased a bit but still less than the AZ60.

So I put back on the AZ60 and turned off LDAC and the detail increased to almost the same level as the Linkbuds S.

Why would LDAC lack detail, it should be the exact opposite??? I will play with the developer settings, but this just seems bizarre to me.

I know I can't get 990 on any LDAC device I have tried so have tried 330, 660 and adaptive and don't notice much difference between those three (I make sure they get applied by adjusting either the bits per sample or sample rate). I have tried switching from 32 bit to 24 and 16 bit and that doesn't seem to make the difference and neither does lowering the sample rate from 96.

The noise floor is much lower in LDAC but at the cost of detail. Originally I thought this was an issue with the Linkbuds S but now hearing it with the AZ60 has me thinking it's the codec or something with my phone (Samsung S20).

Anyone experience this or have a setting I am missing?

EDIT: found it! If I switch the sample rate to 44.1 the sound jumps back up to the same detail as AAC. Bizarre, I am using Amazon Music and the album is Ultra HD so should be able take advantage of a higher sample rate I would have thought.

I notice this issue on a lot of my music with LDAC including my own music I ripped to FLAC as well as my hi-res FLAC files I bought online from places like HD Track.

I played with DSEE and this the first time I could hear an improvement. It did make this album sound better.

Be interesting just how badly the LDAC and DSEE kill the battery life LOL.

I wish LDAC wasn't such a mess in regards to having to be tweaked to even begin to get it to work correctly and you have to do it every time you use it. For the average person it's a complete waste of time.
 
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Aug 28, 2022 at 6:34 PM Post #47,419 of 50,524

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Yip esp. as many do not have a clue and are listening to CD rips mp3 320k/Flac so 16/44.1 and LDAC will be set to 24/96.

Many reviews sites said LDAC was overrated, and aptX-HD was as good as it.

The best I have heard over BT so far was the MTW3 using a 24/96 aptX Adaptive USB Adapter with Amazon Music HD but I am not 100% sure if those buds are 24/96 or 24/48 TBH or possibly my FiiO BT Neckband + FiiO FH5's via aptX-HD/LDAC with the above service.

I kept my FH7 wired but TBH they sound a bit too thud, thud of bass over the FH5's same as other have found.
 
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Aug 28, 2022 at 6:58 PM Post #47,420 of 50,524

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So listening to LDAC with DSEE enable no ANC I an down to 3% on the right at 11% on the left since I posted at 2:09 and that was around 90% so around 2 1/2 hours maybe 3 hrs from 100% if that. Battery just died on the right as I typed this.

Will interesting to see how good the Space A40 do, will also be testing the AZ60 in this regard.

So for those wanting the most from LDAC you might be surprised what happens when you play with the sample rate.

So far I have found I need to adjust to 660, 24 bit, and 44.1 using my own files and Amazon music. I can also use 330 or adaptive but can set it to 660 and get decent performance with no stuttering or connectivity issues so far.

Just tested the AZ60 and they also work well with the same settings. Now that I determined what was happening I am really enjoying the AZ60 again as they have better low end than the Linkbuds S.

Will track time from 4:55 pm to see how the AZ60 last with these settings.
 
Aug 29, 2022 at 12:04 AM Post #47,421 of 50,524

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Ended up putting the AZ60 back on the charger so had to reset. Right now I have been using them with LDAC plus ANC for about 3 hrs and they are around 50% so they definitely last better than the Linkbuds S.

Now that I have the audio sorted they sound a lot better having very good detail again.

They have a heavier and yet softer bass than the Linkbuds S. I love their ability to do big sub-bass for things like Hans Zimmer and some other tracks but wish they had better bass slam.

If the Space A40 can do the sub-bass of the AZ60 and slam of the Linkbuds S I will delighted.
 
Aug 29, 2022 at 3:30 AM Post #47,422 of 50,524

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They have a heavier and yet softer bass than the Linkbuds S. I love their ability to do big sub-bass for things like Hans Zimmer and some other tracks but wish they had better bass slam.

You can try the custom EQ in Technics' Audio Connect app. It's only 5-band, but might still be able to do the trick.
 
Aug 29, 2022 at 9:28 AM Post #47,423 of 50,524

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Hopefully we'll see some news this week with IFA! Other than the new Audio-Technicas I'm really looking forward to what Technics are working on, hopefully a AZ60 v2! :)

I'm also really stoked for the rumoured Xperia 5 IV, which looks be a compact phone with 3.5mm jack and the latest BT features (Snapdragon Sound/LE Audio).
 
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Aug 29, 2022 at 10:16 AM Post #47,424 of 50,524

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I'm starting to feel like the TWS market is getting overly saturated with no significant improvements.
I mean yeah, we do see new features pop up here and there but for the most part it's too much of the same.
Also, when picking up a decent set of wired IEM and doing some a/b critical listening it's pretty obvious to me that in terms of imaging and soundstage TWS are still lacking even if not by much.
Still would like to try Noble and their TWS as I always appreciated their products though.
 
Aug 29, 2022 at 11:03 AM Post #47,425 of 50,524

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Ahhhhhh..

I am notably new to the TWS game, and have refrained from a bullet bite for the last 450+ pages of varieties that have been listed on this thread since I caught it, but this forthcoming caught me right in the feel and excitement department.

I was close to slapping my commitment on the MW08/S but have trusted a lot of mixed experiences noted in posts over time about them, but seeing them pop up again in this thread page revoked a sense of rekindled hope that it may still be an option to have a pop at.

But the ATH’s. They excite me for whatever reason. I guess solely part due to the fact that I have run them as studio supplement aids for so many years to date, and their cost effectivity being so attractive and fulfilling to match open air monitor sound, undoubtedly incomparable to more expensive options out there but being the perfect suffice for their part.

I’m a noob at finding the fulfilment of an IE system (aside from top tier expensive options, again) but I’ve always held off and awaited patiently, for what may be my forwarded desires of having an all round TWS, as I tend to save pleasure for the open air experience and have always sufficed with the compromise. But I think the time has come where I am either molding outwards or forwards, or both.

I’m not one to muster a collection of varieties as I seem to have to many varieties of hobbyist plethora that would spell me broke should I succumb to it all, so I like to nitpick here and there.

Sorry for the elaboration, but peering along for so long at this topic has made me burst my bubble! Thanks to all of you that have contributed your knowledge in this thread as this thread alone has given me many more perspectives and insights as to what I truly desire for the product I eventually commit myself to, as some sort of beginning.

Though I cannot promise it doesn’t end up a criteria that I find myself succumbing to the passion of in itself with the acquisition of many, seeing as there isn’t a single solution to cater to everything (as with everything else out there) that many of you here share and divulge together.

Peace, and I look forward to flowing with the progress of this thread into the future we are all excited about!
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I'm starting to feel like the TWS market is getting overly saturated with no significant improvements.
I mean yeah, we do see new features pop up here and there but for the most part it's too much of the same.
Also, when picking up a decent set of wired IEM and doing some a/b critical listening it's pretty obvious to me that in terms of imaging and soundstage TWS are still lacking even if not by much.
Still would like to try Noble and their TWS as I always appreciated their products though.
I've still yet to own a pair of TWS that ticks all boxes for me, but were deffy getting close with the launch of next gen Bluetooth technologies (Aptx Lossless/Aptx Voice/LE audio/LC3 plus). The new Audio Technics seems to be the first pair of premium tws that will tick almost every box for me, hopefully more brands will follow soon.
 
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Okay I have to ask this since it has been bugging me for a while...

What is everyone's experience and feedback when it comes to call quality for the person on the other end? Specifically what they tell you about background noise from your end. I had forgotten and left a kitchen faucet running on really low the other day and a client on the other end asked me if I was doing dishes.... I was on my Jabra 75t active at the time and after finishing the call I could barely hear the water running myself. I've had similar issues with various other supposed call quality TWS champs where minor background noise like footsteps penetrate easily and gets mentioned by the person on the other end of the call.

Is this the norm for everyone as well? The voice quality itself is fine but minor noises like doors opening and closing, a.c turning on and off and even tapping on a computer keyboard seem to easily get through. Actually it's any and every background noise as far as I'm concerned. Are we "not there yet" when it comes to background noise suppression when it comes to TWS in general or is it just me?
I guess no one wants to touch on this :laughing: It might just be me then and I should probably start looking at professional headsets for my VOIP work calls although it's going to be hard since I love the feeling of having nothing on your head and even in your ears with TWS in general...
 
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I'm starting to feel like the TWS market is getting overly saturated with no significant improvements.
I mean yeah, we do see new features pop up here and there but for the most part it's too much of the same.
Also, when picking up a decent set of wired IEM and doing some a/b critical listening it's pretty obvious to me that in terms of imaging and soundstage TWS are still lacking even if not by much.
Still would like to try Noble and their TWS as I always appreciated their products though.
I couldn’t agree more and this is only of opinion, but from a witness account alone of new options popping up left right and centre in such short time, makes it seem like it’s only destined to be.

Pro’s and con’s, the balance of caveats and sacrifice to focus on another area alone, especially when you see brands have so many different variants with miniscule differences in products from one another, but enough to differentiate the product.. It may very well fall into the symptom of the technological marketed rat race that is no short of a trend in our modern day world. Relative in so many aspects.
 
Aug 29, 2022 at 2:45 PM Post #47,429 of 50,524

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I guess no one wants to touch on this :laughing: It might just be me then and I should probably start looking at professional headsets for my VOIP work calls although it's going to be hard since I love the feeling of having nothing on your head and even in your ears with TWS in general...

I have a Jabra headset. Can’t remember the model but can check later.
It has a dongle and you can pair with a cellphone too. Call quality is excellent and sq is surprisingly decent too!
 

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