Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Jun 27, 2022 at 1:43 PM Post #46,351 of 50,524

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Looks like my Linkbuds S arrive today whish is nice.

Just reread Sony's return policy and they suck... If I open the box I have to pay a twenty percent restocking fee plus the shipping cost of shipping the item and return shipping...

So guess I either have to send back without opening (not likely LOL) or I am going to be selling these if not happy.

My mistake for not paying enough attention.

Having said all that I am going to be an optimist and assume they are going to be great :)...
Manufacturers tend to do that so I don't usually order directly from the manufacturer unless if there is no other choice. Distributors tend to be more lax on the return policy. On average anyways.

I'm not a fan of restocking fees. Usually it is 15% to 25% of the product, which is nuts especially when you add in the price of return shipping. Unfortunately some products are not sold on Amazon so you have to risk restocking fees (like with Noble Audio).
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 1:53 PM Post #46,352 of 50,524

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I know and should have known better...

I bleeping HATE Canada Post! They say product arriving today, get my bleeping hopes up. Postpone a trip out of town for a few hours to get them, go to the Post Office box and the jackasses stick a notice that I have to go a postal outlet tomorrow after 1 to pick them up. That damn box has to be tiny and could have gone in one of the parcel boxes of not the normal mail slot! No reason posted on the slip to justify them not putting it in the box.

Such a stupid postal system!
 
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Jun 27, 2022 at 4:41 PM Post #46,353 of 50,524

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I know and should have known better...

I bleeping HATE Canada Post! They say product arriving today, get my bleeping hopes up. Postpone a trip out of town for a few hours to get them, go to the Post Office box and the jackasses stick a notice that I have to go a postal outlet tomorrow after 1 to pick them up. That damn box has to be tiny and could have gone in one of the parcel boxes of not the normal mail slot! No reason posted on the slip to justify them not putting it in the box.

Such a stupid postal system!
I always had similar experience with Canada Post either not showing up or leaving me a notice despite being at home all day waiting for a darn parcel to show up.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 4:41 PM Post #46,354 of 50,524

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The Sennheiser medium tips sealed the best but they got a little uncomfortable. I've been trying numerous of my other tips but nothing seems to seal as well.
Anyway I think the MTW3 ANC is not as good as the XM4 or the AZ 60.

It does well with steady low frequency noises but it's not like the other two which could cut out traffic noise much better, as in just car engines, not honking, like the other two do. Same on mass transit like on a train or Subway. It's respectable it's just not as good as those two. Or maybe I'm not getting a good enough seal

One feel differently who has tried them all?

Also btw the MTW3 got a firmware update today
 
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Jun 27, 2022 at 5:02 PM Post #46,355 of 50,524

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Personally, I think, ANC works very good on MTW3. I had XM4 and AZ60 and it's about the same. What I like the most is the Anti wind future. These are the first TWS which almost completely cut the wind noise if this option is turned on. Very useful when biking.
My only wish is that Sennheiser will add multipoint in near future.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 6:12 PM Post #46,356 of 50,524

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Personally, I think, ANC works very good on MTW3. I had XM4 and AZ60 and it's about the same. What I like the most is the Anti wind future. These are the first TWS which almost completely cut the wind noise if this option is turned on. Very useful when biking.
My only wish is that Sennheiser will add multipoint in near future.
In terms of sound quality, how would you rank the MTW3, the XM4 and the AZ60? I can get either for the same discounted price locally or even the Nuratrue and just curious to hear your opinion.
 
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Received the Yamaha TW-E7Bs today from Amazon Japan. Yeah, these are the ones to get. If you're willing to deal with the extra cost, get the 7B. Similar in fit, but they seem to fit me better than the 5B. Soft coating too whereas the 5B are plastic. I can hear the difference with the bigger drivers right way. Beautify clarity. Similar wide soundstage. ANC is okay, haven't tested much. Definitely blocks fan noise here at the home office. But I didn't buy them for ANC. That's just an extra perk to me. Case doesn't have Qi charging which is a bummer, but not a deal breaker. The 7B have in-ear detection. The 5B do not. I'm really glad Yamaha upped the ante here and made some great buds. A far cry from the first gen models. Still missing a few things as mentioned but IMO worth the price. Listening to some Mother Love Bone and the new Ghost and these 7B are a lot of fun.
 

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Jun 27, 2022 at 7:00 PM Post #46,358 of 50,524

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In terms of sound quality, how would you rank the MTW3, the XM4 and the AZ60? I can get either for the same discounted price locally or even the Nuratrue and just curious to hear your opinion.
I prefer the sound of MTW3 out of three. Definitely better then XM4. And a little better then AZ60.
 
Jun 27, 2022 at 7:13 PM Post #46,359 of 50,524

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Well, I kinda take it back about the EPro 00 on the Yamaha E5B. Sound is quite good but sort of due to a slight leaky seal. A bit ambient nature which loses some volume so fine at home quiet but not usable like this outdoors. TWS are actually better cause the thicker part is more forward.

That will also lead to a pet peave about something that i don't think has appeared on a true wireless but should be used quite a bit. The two position post. Here on my Elecom BT earphones, still quite good actually, which are not much different a shape than the Yamaha is but no issue.
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I can put the EPro out more on the second post. Yeah it might need a little more depth in the case where the tip area is but TWS could use this. Quite a few ears need more depth and certain tips need more depth. If not needed no harm all the way on is normal. Wish this was an idea they would think of using. just like some posts and room maybe in the lid to carry extra tips. I feel they can certainly think more physical design ideas than they do. Software features are great but we have like two that I have seen that can store a pair of tips and none that two post positions or tuning filters on the front etc.
 
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I prefer the sound of MTW3 out of three. Definitely better then XM4. And a little better then AZ60.
This is exactly how I rate them for sound quality. The AZ60 have the worst call quality.

I don't like that the sennheisers only show you battery status in 10% increments. I'm still testing MTW3 battery life so I can't say who's the best but it's probably not them, though it seems good enough.

I also love the sennheiser's support AptX. Neither the other two do

The sennheisers have the biggest case, to the point it's slightly annoying.

The sennheiser's also have the best touch control customization which is awesome.

Also I found tips that work great with the MTW3, now the seal and isolation is really good and the ANC seems about on par with the other two. Which is fantastic
 
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Jun 28, 2022 at 2:26 AM Post #46,363 of 50,524

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I'm experiencing the battery drain on the EX case, it seems. Battery percentage seems to go down fairly quickly there.

Also, it has occurred a couple of times that when I take a single bud out of the case that this bud won't play any music right away. If I put it back in the case and take it out again, it always works.

I've just resetted them to factory settings and paired again. Newest software is installed (5.3.6) and my iPhone 13 Pro Max is also up to date on everything.

Any advice?

PS: The insertion depth with the EX is also fairly "shallow", isn't it? They're not going very far in the ear canal. It seems that I'm consistently getting the best seal that way.
PS2: Also, they're not pausing the music when you take them out of the ear, do they?
 
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Jun 28, 2022 at 3:01 AM Post #46,365 of 50,524

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Voice pickup while on a call outdoors can be affected by many things... almost all TWS with microphones use some form of anti-noise processing, but the design of a microphone that manages to reduce wind noise as much as possible also means that less processing is needed, and it can sound more natural.

I think it's really cool that you thought to test the mic quality with voice to speech! I should try that. I know that the bluetooth microphones built into my 2013 VW Golf are absolutely AWFUL for dictation, and it shows during phone calls because literally using any other option (one of my grells, speakerphone mode on the phone, even my apple watch's mic!) sounds way better during a chat and is much better with voice to speech.
Yes, I agree. There's more to mic performance than noise reduction. If every word is coherent and clear over and above other sounds, sometimes that's better than too much noise reduction and crackles that render the words incoherent.

Funnily enough, after really strong noise reduction from the likes of the Linkbuds and Oneplus Buds Pro, I've noticed manufacturers starting to go a little the other way and focus more on voice mic optimisation. That tends to be more hardware-based (accelerometer etc) so probably more expensive than software-based AI algorithms like Elevoc.
 

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