Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Oct 13, 2021 at 1:35 PM Post #38,372 of 39,987

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Has anyone found an L3P review with "listen for yourself" for the ANC like "Jim's Review Room" used to do ? EBP Man does actual comparisons but only for call quality it seems.
 
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Has anyone found an L3P review with "listen for yourself" for the ANC like "Jim's Review Room" used to do ? EBP Man does actual comparisons but only for call quality it seems.
I was really hoping Oluv would have done a review by now, but he hasn't.
 
Oct 13, 2021 at 4:27 PM Post #38,374 of 39,987

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Yeah I'm not sure why no one's doing a "hear it as it is" test, EBPMan has the proper setup apparently since he does it for music.
 
Oct 13, 2021 at 5:43 PM Post #38,375 of 39,987

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JVC being cryptic as far as the Victor brand. Setting an announcement for 10/13. They do reveal it seems to be a TWS but 10/20 will be the full reveal. One to watch. I did have the first one. Still gets good reviews and people who have had both said it is similar to the Senn MTW2 and some preferred the Victor for sound. Was much smaller and better fitting than the Senn.

So far on the new one...
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https://www.victor.jp/teaser2110/mv/teaser02-sp.mp4
(with the trees it has to be a woodie driver right?)

One to watch for sure. They have done the improvements through other models and it should show here. They are much better now for the mics, battery, connection than the early days. Finally dropped micro USB so these should be intriguing. They have been sticking to ambient on the right and play/pause on the left bud so that might stay but curious if they will swap that or allow us to in an app.
 
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Oct 13, 2021 at 6:36 PM Post #38,376 of 39,987

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I don’t own many pair of TWS, but as a new glasses wearer I wanted to find a TWS replacement for my B&W PX over ears. I bought and tried the Sony XM4, Sennheiser MTW2, Klipsch T5 II ANC, Master and Dynamic MW08, Melomania Touch, B&W PI7 and PI5, and Devialet Gemini. The Gemini won the bake off. I love the sound so much.

I also have a pair of Apple AirPods Pro I use mostly for calls and the like. They sound ok, but wanted something more.
And you have no problems at all with the Geminis, regarding "snap, crackle and pops"?!?!
My new pair, second one, are as bad as the first. Far worse left side, and unusable with ANC High On.
It must be something anatomical in my left ear canal then... ? :frowning2:
 
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And you have no problems at all with the Geminis, regarding "snap, crackle and pops"?!?!
My new pair, second one, are as bad as the first. Far worse left side, and unusable with ANC High On.
It must be something anatomical in my left ear canal then... ? :frowning2:
Sorry to hear they aren’t working out for you…I was psyched when you said you were getting replacements. I do not get those noises, but also don’t use ANC high. I sometimes get noises when first putting them in or when walking but nothing as extreme as the sounds you’re describing.

Edit: ok, if I move them around in my ears with ANC high on I hear the popping. I sometimes get similar with transparency high.
 
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I was really hoping Oluv would have done a review by now, but he hasn't.
Wow, I have to admit I wasn't familiar with Oluv but he's got some great reviews and isn't shy to explain how he produces his audio clips.

Has anyone here gone for the Earfun Free Pro Oluv edition ? Not that they're available anymore apparently. I'm not sure he'll be a big fan of the L3Ps as he gave the Soundcore Lifes a pretty poor rating.
 
Oct 13, 2021 at 7:21 PM Post #38,379 of 39,987

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I have had the LP3 since Saturday, first up couldn’t find them in the Android app(Samsung S21 ultra), had to use my iPad to set them up instead.
They are smaller than the 2s and feel more stable in my small ears. Sound wise I’d say an extreme focus on the highs with vocals recessed and bass not really showing up to the party. Currently running them with custom eq rather than the Hear-ID eq as the Hear-ID seemed to increase the treble even more, although can’t recall any sibilance. Running the hearid anc seemed to improve the ambient sound feature but didn’t do much for the anc side of this which remains next to non-existent. Had to reset them once after installed LDAC update as right side touch panel stopped responding.
Really like the control you get in the Soundcore app though. The LP3 seem to take over the volume control of what they are connected to (used hi by r3pro saber, Sony nw55, Samsung s9+ iPad 2020 and Samsung s21 ultra). The LP3s sound reminds me of the P17s (without the P17s bass).

Got the Shure TW2 and had them paired with the Shure 535 (can’t remember where I put my 846s but need to find them and try them with the TW2), swapped them out for the tin hifi P1 on the 215 setting in the app (which seemed to increase power available), as others have said previously, the TW2 are really difficult to wear when out and about with a mask, anc works to a decent level not as good as the devialet or Sony wm4 but usable on London Underground, same for ambient sound.

Also picked up in recent weeks the Moondrop Sparks (x2 first pair right side touch panel became unresponsive after the short lived update that added volume control, got sent out another pair), Nuheara Iqbuds 2 Max (really good ambient mode, anc not so effective), Klipsch T5 ANC version, Samsung Buds 2, Jabra 3, Nothing 1 and had to get the right side of the Noble Pro replaced due to the dreaded nozzle issue.

Need to send the Gemini in for repair though as I am getting what seems like driver flex with every head movement at high volume.
 
Oct 13, 2021 at 8:27 PM Post #38,380 of 39,987

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Tempted by the L3Ps, early reviews are a bit mixed suggesting a few issues, call quality, touch control response etc. But spec and price are so tempting and I do have a soft spot for Anker stuff. Pretty happy with my L2Ps, once I got the revised version to fix hiss problem.

Been looking at XM4's etc but hard to stomach paying £250 vs £120. I'm sure they are good but still not perfect. Still got 24 hours left on offer, will see if anymore real reviews show up.....

Use Fiio FH3 with BTR3k for my daily listen but want convenience of TWS and ANC to use on public transport and flights.
 
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Oct 13, 2021 at 11:38 PM Post #38,381 of 39,987

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The jump from a 70-100 dollar IEMs to 300-400 can be pretty substantial in the headphone world and tends to produce better sound (that can also be different). If the upgrade isn't worth it, that would imply that there exists a 75 dollar or 100 dollar IEM that sounds as good as a 300 dollar or 400 dollar IEM, respectively. I'd argue that you'd be very hard pressed to find such an IEM.

Though if you're talking about a 300 dollar TWS only sounding as good as a 100 dollar wired IEM, this is typically true. Most of the higher-priced TWS headphones add in a slew of features which eat up into costs. However, if a manufacturer could in theory make an audio-focused, no-frills TWS without said features, they might be able to make a 300 dollar TWS that sounds similar to a 2-250 dollar wired IEM. By that same token, people gave HiFiMan a bunch of flack in this thread for doing just that. Though Noble Audio was pretty well regarded with their entry.

Keep in mind that the SE846 and SE535 with added adapters is essentially a 1000 and 500 dollar TWS, respectively. So of course they'll end up sounding better. Though something like the Shure Aonic 3 might have similar SQ to a 350-400 dollar audio-dedicated TWS. The major issue is that when the battery dies on the TWS headphone, you end up needing to replace the headphone. When it dies on the adapted headphone, you replace the adapter. One is definitely cheaper than the other.

Yeah, I know what you mean and I think when it comes to wired earphones the jump between $100 to $300-$400 is massive but when it comes to TWS to my ears the leap forward in performance isn't that big and the rule of diminishing returns is starting to show past the $150 mark.

Based on my experience, the Fill T1XS, Sennheiser CX 400BT, Soundcore Liberty 2 Pro+, Soundcore Life P3 and even Monster Inspiration 700 all sound excellent and provide different flavors of sound and features. Some also like the sound of the CA MT but this wasn't my cup of tea.
Over the ears I demoed or bought and returned the Bose SoundSport, Sony WF-1000XM3, M&D MW07 Go and the Grado and while the performance was better the price difference was quite significant for mainly features and maybe 15%-20% for better sound of any but all the ones I have had over the ears are between $30-$100.

Now I haven't tried the Geminis or the latest and greatest TOTL TWS that popped up recently like the Noble ones but they will have to blow me away and be free of bugs to justify the cost.
 
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Oct 14, 2021 at 12:40 AM Post #38,382 of 39,987

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The jump from a 70-100 dollar IEMs to 300-400 can be pretty substantial in the headphone world and tends to produce better sound (that can also be different). If the upgrade isn't worth it, that would imply that there exists a 75 dollar or 100 dollar IEM that sounds as good as a 300 dollar or 400 dollar IEM, respectively. I'd argue that you'd be very hard pressed to find such an IEM.

Though if you're talking about a 300 dollar TWS only sounding as good as a 100 dollar wired IEM, this is typically true. Most of the higher-priced TWS headphones add in a slew of features which eat up into costs. However, if a manufacturer could in theory make an audio-focused, no-frills TWS without said features, they might be able to make a 300 dollar TWS that sounds similar to a 2-250 dollar wired IEM. By that same token, people gave HiFiMan a bunch of flack in this thread for doing just that. Though Noble Audio was pretty well regarded with their entry.

Keep in mind that the SE846 and SE535 with added adapters is essentially a 1000 and 500 dollar TWS, respectively. So of course they'll end up sounding better. Though something like the Shure Aonic 3 might have similar SQ to a 350-400 dollar audio-dedicated TWS. The major issue is that when the battery dies on the TWS headphone, you end up needing to replace the headphone. When it dies on the adapted headphone, you replace the adapter. One is definitely cheaper than the other.

Even pairing 40usd BT20S Pro or 80usd with sub 100usd IEMs like KZ, Tinaudio, Moondrop Aria, and other choices would be a better bang for the buck, if sound quality is the only deciding factor.
The only time i would like to spend more than 150 usd for a TWS is usually if i want that specific extra tech/features (ANC, clearer ambient mode, build quality, app support, mic quality, etc) that i think are still not achievable (quality-wise) by the budget TWS.

most audiophile companies that want to create an audio focused TWS would use their skills in physical tuning, which is (in my perspective) would be a rather uphill battle to compete with the wired counterparts in the same price bracket.

i think the only way to make an audio focused TWS at reasonable price would come to DSP tuning, which is apparently not something that small audiophile IEM companies dabble at the moment.. the bigger tech companies like Apple, Samsung, Sony, Huawei, etc might have the better chance at this
 
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Wow, I have to admit I wasn't familiar with Oluv but he's got some great reviews and isn't shy to explain how he produces his audio clips.

Has anyone here gone for the Earfun Free Pro Oluv edition ? Not that they're available anymore apparently. I'm not sure he'll be a big fan of the L3Ps as he gave the Soundcore Lifes a pretty poor rating.
From the wireless earbud reviews I've seen of his, had I been about at the time of release, I would have snapped up the earfuns that he tuned. At that price, they seemed to excel against all the others he tested.

I have a lot of time for him. Open honest reviews, and you know that he favours a 'neutral', 'reference' sound, so you can take your cue from that with his reviews.

I was a bit concerned, regarding his review of the Soundcore Liberty air 2 Pro. Mainly because I agreed with him from the tests I heard. But he did say how customisable they are from the excellent app, although he said he couldn't quite adjust them far enough for to get the sound of his liking. But the LP3s should, in theory, be an improvement on the 2's, so we'll see.
 
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From the wireless earbud reviews I've seen of his, had I been about at the time of release, I would have snapped up the earfuns that he tuned. At that price, they seemed to excel against all the others he tested.

I have a lot of time for him. Open honest reviews, and you know that he favours a 'neutral', 'reference' sound, so you can take your cue from that with his reviews.

I was a bit concerned, regarding his review of the Soundcore Liberty air 2 Pro. Mainly because I agreed with him from the tests I heard. But he did say how customisable they are from the excellent app, although he said he couldn't quite adjust them far enough for to get the sound of his liking. But the LP3s should, in theory, be an improvement on the 2's, so we'll see.
The Earfun TWS as far as I know are OEM used by Fiil as Earfun doesn’t manufacture them, maybe they tune them. I have no clue.
Problem with Earfun isthat there is no app available which means if you’re an iOS user you don’t have equalizer. I believe the Oluv edition was tuned to sound like Etymotic XR meaning very flat response with boosted bass.
 
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I have had the LP3 since Saturday, first up couldn’t find them in the Android app(Samsung S21 ultra), had to use my iPad to set them up instead.
They are smaller than the 2s and feel more stable in my small ears. Sound wise I’d say an extreme focus on the highs with vocals recessed and bass not really showing up to the party. Currently running them with custom eq rather than the Hear-ID eq as the Hear-ID seemed to increase the treble even more, although can’t recall any sibilance. Running the hearid anc seemed to improve the ambient sound feature but didn’t do much for the anc side of this which remains next to non-existent. Had to reset them once after installed LDAC update as right side touch panel stopped responding.
Really like the control you get in the Soundcore app though. The LP3 seem to take over the volume control of what they are connected to (used hi by r3pro saber, Sony nw55, Samsung s9+ iPad 2020 and Samsung s21 ultra). The LP3s sound reminds me of the P17s (without the P17s bass).

Got the Shure TW2 and had them paired with the Shure 535 (can’t remember where I put my 846s but need to find them and try them with the TW2), swapped them out for the tin hifi P1 on the 215 setting in the app (which seemed to increase power available), as others have said previously, the TW2 are really difficult to wear when out and about with a mask, anc works to a decent level not as good as the devialet or Sony wm4 but usable on London Underground, same for ambient sound.

Also picked up in recent weeks the Moondrop Sparks (x2 first pair right side touch panel became unresponsive after the short lived update that added volume control, got sent out another pair), Nuheara Iqbuds 2 Max (really good ambient mode, anc not so effective), Klipsch T5 ANC version, Samsung Buds 2, Jabra 3, Nothing 1 and had to get the right side of the Noble Pro replaced due to the dreaded nozzle issue.

Need to send the Gemini in for repair though as I am getting what seems like driver flex with every head movement at high volume.
Thanks for the LP3 feedback.

I've only heard two very brief sound tests on YouTube. Comparing them to the MX4's and a Sennheiser (model escapes me now). Both tests made the LP3s sound thin to me. They sounded bright, and with the reviewer and others raving about the bass, all I could think was.... What bass?

My own brief perception mirrors your experience then. Here's hoping I can get a decent tune out of them.
 

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