Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Aug 27, 2021 at 8:49 AM Post #36,676 of 41,904

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I also think most reviews are way too focused on the tech. I know that a lot of people don't really care much about how the music sounds but are more practical in nature so they want the best tech possible. But i'd rather take superb sound and mediocre tech than mediocre sound and superb tech in a pair of TWS earbuds. Mediocretech in this case does not mean "constant cutouts every 5 seconds" btw, if it's THAT bad i'd rather take the mediocre sound.

I mean, I know some people say "well, TWS earbuds aren't audiophile by nature because of lossy codecs blahblah if you want real audiophile sound you would get wired cans or IEM's!" but that's sort of at the point where they lose me because I listen to a lot of my music on the run, and wires are annoying and distracting to me unless i'm sitting in a chair at home, so obviously I want the best sound possible from the product I'll use the most for my music listening.
Sometimes I do think about getting a pair of wired IEM's to see what i've been missing out on, because it's been probably 5-6 years ago I last used a pair of DECENT wired earbuds, so I can't remember how they compare to a set of expensive TWS's
Funny you mentioned this since in the last 2 weeks since I’m waiting for some new TWS to arrive I went back to using some multi-drivers IEMs and they all sound so so good in general and very effortless especially when it comes to imagining.
it’s less of an “issue” on the go because I don’t need the sq for critical listening when out and about but at home it’s a different story.
 
Aug 27, 2021 at 9:02 AM Post #36,677 of 41,904

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I tried using my shure e530 again during my switch from over ears to TWS and while they sounded great, they brought back memories of buds getting pulled out by being connected to wires. I realize the convenience factor of TWS is not lost on me
Definitely for on the go, especially when you need to wear a mask and, sometimes in my case, glasses, there just isn't enough room behind my ears for my SE846.

Ears recently started getting blocked up after 20+ years of IEM use so ended up trying to get my ears cleaned out, which they did bit also left me with inflammation in my left ear (couldnt hear for a week) and an infection in the right. Have my hearing back now luckily bur the whole experience has brought me back to over ears (have been using my Aonic 50s more the last few weeks). Also, maybe it is a sign that I am satisfied with my TWS collection for now but I have now been more focused on my desktop setup (just purchased an RME ADI-2 from someone on headfi and will be digging my Aeon 2 Noires out of storage today). I have also found myself using the SE846 more at home again these days. For now, I think my daily drivers will be as follows:

TWS (music on the go): B&W PI7
TWS (calls): Samsung Galaxy Buds Live
TWS (workout, grilling, doing things around the apartment): MW07 Go (essentially my "beater" pair)
Over Ear wireless: Aonic 50
IEM: Shure SE846 (with Dragonfly Cobalt or Qudelix 5K) - usually keep in backpack and use at the office.
Home desktop: Dan Clark Audio Aeon 2 Noire

Long story short, I think each serves a purpose. For on the go, it will definitely be TWS as you just cannot beat convenience (for both music and calls).
 
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Aug 27, 2021 at 9:40 AM Post #36,678 of 41,904

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Definitely for on the go, especially when you need to wear a mask and, sometimes in my case, glasses, there just isn't enough room behind my ears for my SE846.

Ears recently started getting blocked up after 20+ years of IEM use so ended up trying to get my ears cleaned out, which they did bit also left me with inflammation in my left ear (couldnt hear for a week) and an infection in the right. Have my hearing back now luckily bur the whole experience has brought me back to over ears (have been using my Aonic 50s more the last few weeks). Also, maybe it is a sign that I am satisfied with my TWS collection for now but I have now been more focused on my desktop setup (just purchased an RME ADI-2 from someone on headfi and will be digging my Aeon 2 Noires out of storage today). I have also found myself using the SE846 more at home again these days. For now, I think my daily drivers will be as follows and the rest will remain in my closer:

TWS (music on the go): B&W PI7
TWS (calls): Samsung Galaxy Buds Live
TWS (workout, grilling, doing things around the apartment): MW07 Go (essentially my "beater" pair)
Over Ear wireless: Aonic 50
IEM: Shure SE846 (with Dragonfly Cobalt or Qudelix 5K) - usually keep in backpack and use at the office.
Home desktop: Dan Clark Audio Aeon 2 Noire

Long story short, I think each serves a purpose. For on the go, it will definitely be TWS as you just cannot beat convenience (for both music and calls).

Nice collection. I am running the Aeon X Closed from Massdrop and love them. Have been thinking about the Open X version as well. I personally find the midfi ($500 ish) the sweet spot for full size cans. Like you, I prefer over ears to IEMs. I can tolerate most TWS because they have a shallow fit. Traditional IEMs with deep fit don't work for me for a variety of reasons. My only question for you is why baby the PI7? They can probably handle workouts and "beater" duty unless it's a fit issue. I've started using the more expensive stuff in all settings because life is short and I'll probably move on from them in 6 months anyway so why bother listening to sub par stuff even for exercise etc. Off track a bit but has anyone seen the new Yamaha ANC headphones? They offer some spatial audio features. I wonder how they might compare to the Aonic, Panda, APM? I'm intrigued but not $500 intrigued.
 
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Aug 27, 2021 at 10:19 AM Post #36,679 of 41,904

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Can I say that as much as I love the sound on these Gemini, I’m a little disappointed in battery life? Probably not a deal breaker, but just saying. Are others getting much more than 4 hours out of right bud?

looking forward to comparing to Sony later today/over weekend, then MW08 should be here Monday. The EQ are incredibly tempting
 
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Can I say that as much as I love the sound on these Gemini, I’m a little disappointed in battery life? Probably not a deal breaker, but just saying. Are others getting much more than 4 hours out of right bud?

looking forward to comparing to Sony later today/over weekend, then MW08 should be here Monday. The EQ are incredibly tempting
I noticed the same. Can almost watch the percent disappear :D
 
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Nice collection. I am running the Aeon X Closed from Massdrop and love them. Have been thinking about the Open X version as well. I personally find the midfi ($500 ish) the sweet spot for full size cans. Like you, I prefer over ears to IEMs. I can tolerate most TWS because they have a shallow fit. Traditional IEMs with deep fit don't work for me for a variety of reasons. My only question for you is why baby the PI7? They can probably handle workouts and "beater" duty unless it's a fit issue. I've started using the more expensive stuff in all settings because life is short and I'll probably move on from them in 6 months anyway so why bother listening to sub par stuff even for exercise etc. Off track a bit but has anyone seen the new Yamaha ANC headphones? They offer some spatial audio features. I wonder how they might compare to the Aonic, Panda, APM? I'm intrigued but not $500 intrigued.
My wife started complaining about open backs so I have had to stick with closed back for now. The Aeons are great and super comfortable for me. I posted this in the Noire thread last night too but I can literally put them on for hours and just get lost in my music. I like the "mid-fi' price point. Am reserving the higher dollars for my music room I told my wife the next house has to have. Been pretty happy in the sub 1k range in general in this hobby and don't really have the urge to spend more than that for a pair of headphones.

Back to your question:

1. IPX rating - I sweat a lot and am being cautious in case I drop them in water while cleaning the patio or car or watering my garden, which has happened. You are probably right and I am most likely being overly cautious. My MW07 Go are on their last legs anyway (recently had to get a rocket science degree just to reconnect the left and right earbuds).
2. Habit (obviously have had the MW07 Gos for much longer since I bought them at launch) so they have been my workout buds for the last 2 years or so. I also don't mind their more v shaped sound for working out.

The way this tech is advancing, my PI7s will likely replace my MW07 Go as the workout buds in the next year and I will be babying something else.
 
Aug 27, 2021 at 11:38 AM Post #36,682 of 41,904

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Can I say that as much as I love the sound on these Gemini, I’m a little disappointed in battery life? Probably not a deal breaker, but just saying. Are others getting much more than 4 hours out of right bud?

looking forward to comparing to Sony later today/over weekend, then MW08 should be here Monday. The EQ are incredibly tempting
Yup, at least with ANC. I resort to full-size cans for work and have the case on a wireless charging pad most of the day, so I can live with it. But it does make me keep my eye out for a tag-team backup that has the same level of ANC or better (so I can ease away from the full-size), maybe the xm4 when holiday sales hit.
 
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Yup, at least with ANC. I resort to full-size cans for work and have the case on a wireless charging pad most of the day, so I can live with it. But it does make me keep my eye out for a tag-team backup that has the same level of ANC or better (so I can ease away from the full-size), maybe the xm4 when holiday sales hit.
Understood. Just ran right side to 0…with fall back of the APP or B&W PX
 
Aug 27, 2021 at 11:59 AM Post #36,684 of 41,904

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Got MT in. Can't really get a good seal with the included large tips, though if I hold them in place, I can see the sound is pretty good. I found a few tips I had around that gave me good sound, but nothing I can get to sit in the case on the contacts.

So that's my challenge going forward.

Initial pairing and updating gave me more trouble than I've ever had before with a bluetooth set, but I got past it.
 
Aug 27, 2021 at 1:24 PM Post #36,686 of 41,904

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Got MT in. Can't really get a good seal with the included large tips, though if I hold them in place, I can see the sound is pretty good. I found a few tips I had around that gave me good sound, but nothing I can get to sit in the case on the contacts.

So that's my challenge going forward.

Initial pairing and updating gave me more trouble than I've ever had before with a bluetooth set, but I got past it.
Try the Epro extra large. I just ordered their large version, but noticed in passing that they have extra large too.
 
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Just got my hands on some SoundPeats H1's, first impressions are honestly very good. If they had an app where you could EQ them I'd think these were RIDONCULOUS value.
First impressions soundwise: Honestly a better first impression than the MTW2's and the XM4's. if we're talking stock sound without any EQ at least.
They lack the tech of either, obviously, but they sound pretty damn good.
Main issue being the bass, there's just... too much of it. It's has dual drivers so the mids still sound very clear despite the bass, but the bass is distracting because it's just a smooth mid-bass bump that's not fast nor punchy, it just simmers around and manages to sound bloated even though it thankfully doesn't bleed into the mids too much. It's still a bit distracting and it can make some bass lines sound less distinguished because you lose a bit of the natural characteristics of it and it can sound a bit one-note because of it.
They're very mid-forward to my ears at least, and I feel like vocals take the center-stage here.

The entire earbud experience could be summed up as "smooth", because the highs are also very inoffensive (too inoffensive in stock tuning). They're there, the clarity is good, but it doesn't sparkle at all.
Soundstage is honestly pretty impressive, above average at least.

I paid around $60 for them, and for that price they're a downright steal! Ironically I wish they would've tuned the bass more like the SoundPeats T2, that happen to have pretty fast bass but sounds pretty 'meh' otherwise. They also support wireless charging which is nice to see at this price. If they ANC and a slightly less boomy bass they'd be a no-brainer for the price.

I've unfortunately heard that the drivers on these tend to give out after awhile so they might not have the best longevity, but I bought them to basically tide me over while I wait for my MTW2's to come back from repairs as I might sell my Sony XM4's soon.
 
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Some toys have arrived. Gonna keep me busy for the weekend.
 

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Can I say that as much as I love the sound on these Gemini, I’m a little disappointed in battery life? Probably not a deal breaker, but just saying. Are others getting much more than 4 hours out of right bud?

looking forward to comparing to Sony later today/over weekend, then MW08 should be here Monday. The EQ are incredibly tempting
These Sony XM4 with Final Type E TWS tips sound pretty damn good!

think I’m in the midst of a firmware update, too.
 
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