Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
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I know everybody has different tastes, but what is the definitive best sounding true wireless earbud to you? I’m asking everybody in the thread because I’m damn curious.
For me it's the Cambridge Audio Melomania touch (out of all TWS I've tested), they even sound better than earbuds costing twice as much.
 
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I know everybody has different tastes, but what is the definitive best sounding true wireless earbud to you? I’m asking everybody in the thread because I’m damn curious.
Top 3 I've tried are master and dynamic mw08 / kef mu3 / oppo Enco X (with default eq changed as it sucks oob) - they are all pretty close to me but oppo won me over for form factor and Lhdc/anc.... I returned the mw08 and kept the kef but I never use them. There are some really good non ANC sounding TWS like the Cambridge audio MT - I just want it all. Curious about the new sonys and b&w buds but they look kind of large.
 
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I found a set of Sennheiser MTW2 for $200 new and sealed, but I might have a chance at grabbing the WF-1000XM4 for around $220 if I wait a bit... none of them can be returned in any way after purchase though since Amazon is the only store that offers returns like that where i'm at.

I feel like the Sennys won't have quite enough bass to satisfy the part of me that likes heavy electronic music and really enjoys some heavy bass rumbles from time to time, and I feel like the Sony's won't satisfy the part of me that wants a huge sound with big soundstage and some really nice sparkle in the upper mids and highs for more ambient and atmospheric music... Can somebody create a Sonyheiser Momentum WF-1000TW2-Frankenstein hybrid for me?

If you like electronic / dance, the XM4 are fantastic for that. Was listening to some old Massive Attack, Prodigy, Banks and Marian Hill. 😗👌 quite on par with my wired ZN earphones which I love for EDM on the go.
 
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I was thinking of buying a second pair of Mpow M30 so I can switch between each pair when the battery needs charging, as the battery life is only about 4 to 5 hours.

However, I want more weight and authority with the bass. The overall sound on the M30 is excellent and detailed with nice enough bass, but the bass isn't on the same level as my wired ibasso buds. So I'm considering Soundpeats Sonic, Soundpeats T2, Edifier TWS1 Pro which all have longer battery life, particularly the Sonic with 12+ hours.

Can anyone recommend which of those would have the nicest sound, weighty and punchy bass, good comfort, don't fall out and have SBC codec? SBC gives me great AV sync so I'm not sure if any buds without SBC would give me more latency.
 
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If you like electronic / dance, the XM4 are fantastic for that. Was listening to some old Massive Attack, Prodigy, Banks and Marian Hill. 😗👌 quite on par with my wired ZN earphones which I love for EDM on the go.
I mean, I do! But I also listen to a lot of other music that I feel like the Sony’s might not be the right earbuds for.
Im leaning less and less towards buying the Sony’s. I really want their functions but I don’t think the sound is for me despite it all based on what I’ve read. I probably wouldn’t dislike it, but I probably wouldn’t love it.
 
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I mean, I do! But I also listen to a lot of other music that I feel like the Sony’s might not be the right earbuds for.
Im leaning less and less towards buying the Sony’s. I really want their functions but I don’t think the sound is for me despite it all based on what I’ve read. I probably wouldn’t dislike it, but I probably wouldn’t love it.
I listen to classical, pop, country, hip hop, jazz, alternative, R&B. I have lypertek tevi, Samsung Galaxy Buds Pro, Noble Falcon Pro, and xm4. I prefer mx4, just on sound quality. Falcon hits harder for bass (mid bass boom) and has more sparkly treble (hybrid setup), but for me xm4 will a little eq adjustment is smooth, cohesive, and still gives enough treble presence to my ears. It has a better overall flow to me than the Noble tws. I liked it with stock tips and no eq, but a boost at 2.5 and a 2db increase in the other upper frequencies, with silicon tips (epro ep01) gave me that overall sound I was hoping for, and it comes together well. The Noble felt more separated in its different frequencies as if there was a cutoff point for each driver/armature. That is my opinion. Very happy
 
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So what BT buds have what you would call a neutral reference kind of sound? And by that I don't mean lean or bass light just not bass boosted or V-shaped that so many seem to aim for. My Airpods Pros I feel have a relatively balanced sound signature with a slight focus on the mids and a balanced bass (assuming they fit your ears). Only talking frequency response here and I'm sure they can be bettered on technicalities like detail retrieval and dynamics etc. I know it also depends on what the reference is - for Harman Target for instance it will probably be some of those models (Samsung, AKG) owned by Harman group (?).

Are Lypertek considered neutral? MTW2? Technics? What about the KEF MU3? Bose QC Buds?
For me, it is the Nuarl N6 Pro. They are even advertised as neutral sounding (which they actually are). They have some of the best detail retrieval that I have heard in a TWS.
 
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I listen to classical, pop, country, hip hop, jazz, alternative, R&B. I have lypertek tevi, Samsung Galaxy Buds Pro, Noble Falcon Pro, and xm4. I prefer mx4, just on sound quality. Falcon hits harder for bass (mid bass boom) and has more sparkly treble (hybrid setup), but for me xm4 will a little eq adjustment is smooth, cohesive, and still gives enough treble presence to my ears. It has a better overall flow to me than the Noble tws. I liked it with stock tips and no eq, but a boost at 2.5 and a 2db increase in the other upper frequencies, with silicon tips (epro ep01) gave me that overall sound I was hoping for, and it comes together well. The Noble felt more separated in its different frequencies as if there was a cutoff point for each driver/armature. That is my opinion. Very happy
Interesting. I just don't like the XM3's sound signature and I know that the XM4 probably sounds better, but the XM3 in hindsight was pretty damn bad to me. It's very energetic but I feel like if I wear eartips that actually make them sit properly it's just a bloated mess with no soundstage, no separation and pretty low on details everywhere across the range. No "sparkle" in the treble either, just very smooth which can of course be a good thing, I just think it sounds "meh" no matter how I EQ the XM3's, but it could absolutely be a case of not getting a good fit.
 
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I mean, I do! But I also listen to a lot of other music that I feel like the Sony’s might not be the right earbuds for.
Im leaning less and less towards buying the Sony’s. I really want their functions but I don’t think the sound is for me despite it all based on what I’ve read. I probably wouldn’t dislike it, but I probably wouldn’t love it.

No problem. Loads of choice out there these days for us consumers which is great, but also at the same time confusing to say the least. For a while, I feel like I have the endgame wired earphones set up and recently wireless with the XM4, but everyone's tastes and ears and hearing are all different, so get what you find engaging! Hunting is part of the fun, but glad I'm out of it, too much time and money required to switch and swap and with some people it's an endless hunt as they'll never be satisfied lol;
 
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Walked into a local store and was surprised to find they have the xm4 in stock. They don't sound dark to me at all even with the stock tips. I use accoustune aet07 tips with them and they sound pretty nice, crisp highs and highly resolving. I'd even say they are quite neutralish sounding. One thing I notice is that in the app, EQ off and a flat manual EQ sounds different. EQ off sounds better and more dynamic.

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Compared to the M&D mw08, the mw08 sounds darker and has a more mid bass centric boomy sound signature. The mw08 has all controls on the buds, but with the Sony, a choice has to be made between NC/ambient mode or volume control.
 
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I know everybody has different tastes, but what is the definitive best sounding true wireless earbud to you? I’m asking everybody in the thread because I’m damn curious.

I tried a few before settling. The Sony are too bass bloated. The Bose are a bit bland. The MTW2 are very nice but had battery issues.
It’s not to say these aren’t ok for their other features but... just not for me. They all are above my “reasonable” price range.

I hated XM3 sound, Bose are ok but my main goal is not ANC or calls. I won’t deal with battery issues. I tried a few others but the package was under par. I’d like to try the mu3, the mw08 and the NFP but I mostly want to listen to music and not overtly focus on the medium by itself. Also need funds to cater for other hobbies.

My take is, this is a VERY fast evolving niche, new and better tech is coming soon (BTLEA/LC3), I’m ALWAYS looking for SQ mostly but do enjoy other features. I wanted ANC and Qi but didn’t get it. I got transparency, good battery, comfortable secure fit and amazing sound... for 130€. I searched for the better package, the best implementation, the best price/quality compromise. I got the above par option.

True, I had a few issues with connectivity at first, but these have been long solved. The sound even improved. I’m happy.

(maybe I’ll invest when this evolves a bit more. For now, I own over-ears, IEM’s and TWS which I am enjoying)

I got the Cambridge Audio Melomania Touch!
 
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I tried a few before settling. The Sony are too bass bloated. The Bose are a bit bland. The MTW2 are very nice but had battery issues.
It’s not to say these aren’t ok for their other features but... just not for me. They all are above my “reasonable” price range.

I hated XM3 sound, Bose are ok but my main goal is not ANC or calls. I won’t deal with battery issues. I tried a few others but the package was under par. I’d like to try the mu3, the mw08 and the NFP but I mostly want to listen to music and not overtly focus on the medium by itself. Also need funds to cater for other hobbies.

My take is, this is a VERY fast evolving niche, new and better tech is coming soon (BTLEA/LC3), I’m ALWAYS looking for SQ mostly but do enjoy other features. I wanted ANC and Qi but didn’t get it. I got transparency, good battery, comfortable secure fit and amazing sound... for 130€. I searched for the better package, the best implementation, the best price/quality compromise. I got the above par option.

True, I had a few issues with connectivity at first, but these have been long solved. The sound even improved. I’m happy.

(maybe I’ll invest when this evolves a bit more. For now, I own over-ears, IEM’s and TWS which I am enjoying)

I got the Cambridge Audio Melomania Touch!

I wanna see a comparo Touch vs. the Sabbat E16.:) They are both about the same things good shape/fit and SQ. Sabbat does have Qi and both have 7 hours battery and only do up to aptX. One is IPX4 and the other IPX5. Both seem solid but not the best on the connection stability.
 
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I tried a few before settling. The Sony are too bass bloated. The Bose are a bit bland. The MTW2 are very nice but had battery issues.
It’s not to say these aren’t ok for their other features but... just not for me. They all are above my “reasonable” price range.

I hated XM3 sound, Bose are ok but my main goal is not ANC or calls. I won’t deal with battery issues. I tried a few others but the package was under par. I’d like to try the mu3, the mw08 and the NFP but I mostly want to listen to music and not overtly focus on the medium by itself. Also need funds to cater for other hobbies.

My take is, this is a VERY fast evolving niche, new and better tech is coming soon (BTLEA/LC3), I’m ALWAYS looking for SQ mostly but do enjoy other features. I wanted ANC and Qi but didn’t get it. I got transparency, good battery, comfortable secure fit and amazing sound... for 130€. I searched for the better package, the best implementation, the best price/quality compromise. I got the above par option.

True, I had a few issues with connectivity at first, but these have been long solved. The sound even improved. I’m happy.

(maybe I’ll invest when this evolves a bit more. For now, I own over-ears, IEM’s and TWS which I am enjoying)

I got the Cambridge Audio Melomania Touch!
What battery issues did you have with the MTW2?
Also, what's your take on the sound quality on the Melomania Touch vs the MTW2? They used to be on my shortlist of earbuds I wanted to check out but I think it's a difficult product to get into because on paper there's nothing that stands out to me, no insane specs, a kinda bland design, lacking in some features... but the sound is supposed to be amazing. But when you can't try it first it gets tougher to make that purchase.
 

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