Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
May 21, 2021 at 11:27 PM Post #33,496 of 38,579

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I had P14's and the ANC was non existent as well as all same issue you can read from Amazon customers, I see the P17's do not have any way to pair to another device or power on/off without the case, deal breaker for me.
I hate to say it, but that describes a lot of today's TWS buds. There are very few that will allow pairing with more than one device. You have to power them off (or the BT transmitter on the device) and then pair them with another device. I would love to have this feature more also to be honest.

There are quite a few that will "auto" power off after a time of no activity, but there is usually no way to manually power them down. This seems to be the trend in the TWS market. I would love to have some way to manually turn them off, but I don't really see that feature coming back.
 
May 21, 2021 at 11:39 PM Post #33,497 of 38,579

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I agree but have a few budget TWS that allow both paring and power on/off via their buttons (I do not carry the case with me) but they probably are forgetting and pairing each time.

The Anker Soundcore Liberty 2 Pro remember 8 devices.
 
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I agree but have a few budget TWS that allow both paring and power on/off via their buttons (I do not carry the case with me) but they probably are forgetting and pairing each time.

The Anker Soundcore Liberty 2 Pro remember 8 devices.
Still, that is pretty sweet on the feature side IMO.

WOW! That is cool. It seems that for a time that was pretty much a standard feature with most BT devices, and it seems that lately that has gone away. Even a lot of newer BT speakers are that way. I still have the Jawbone Big Jambox and it pairs with a lot of different devices like that also.
 
May 22, 2021 at 12:26 AM Post #33,499 of 38,579

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I agree but have a few budget TWS that allow both paring and power on/off via their buttons (I do not carry the case with me) but they probably are forgetting and pairing each time.

The Anker Soundcore Liberty 2 Pro remember 8 devices.
PI7s do remember three devices and from the few days I had it, I thought that part worked pretty well. You can also designate which device you want it to auto connect to when you take them out of the case, which I thought was pretty neat. I wish it could pair with more devices but the fact that you can also use the case helps. I personally dont mind using the case to power off (and recharge when not in use) and would rather have the buttons do something else but understand others may want to use theirs differently.

What I really wish is that more TWS would allow you to chstomize buttons so we have options based on our personal preferences. For example, I wish I could repurpose voice assistant for something else like ambient mode since I have never used, nor do I intend to use, the voice assistant function. I can barely get Alexa to do what I want at home (my three year old has an "Alexa voice" which is literally yelling at Alexa because he thinks that is how you are supposed to talk to Alexa).
 
May 22, 2021 at 12:35 AM Post #33,500 of 38,579

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Yea the P14's via the App let you pick a Primary and Secondary device (as they had Multipoint).

Powering on and off does not steal another setting as its normally a long press like 5+ secs on one or both buds (depending on model), obv you to need press both to power back on.

I cannot stand any buds that enter pairing mode every time you take them out the case or power on via buttons.
 
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May 22, 2021 at 6:19 AM Post #33,501 of 38,579

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PI7s do remember three devices and from the few days I had it, I thought that part worked pretty well. You can also designate which device you want it to

This. My PI7 auto pair to my iPhone perfectly, ironically better than my app which occasionally don't pair. Pi7 do every time.

They're also paired To my iPad at the same the. No issues there.
 
May 22, 2021 at 11:08 AM Post #33,502 of 38,579

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Have to agree with this review. I was a major fan of the original M1, but the M1+ goes it a bit better. I guess many don't care for the lack of ANC and the design, but to me, once you have them secured (I prefer the foam tips CA offers, which are the best I've ever used in terms of durability/fit) they are fantastic, especially for this price point. With both the MTs and the M1+, I honestly admit to being a Cambridge Audio addict. And yes, I see that What Hi-Fi? gets remunerated if someone buys gear through their site. Still feel the M1+ is a standout in the mid-price range.

https://www.whathifi.com/us/reviews/cambridge-audio-melomania-1-plus
 
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Ok, so these actually sound pretty good with some modification and tweaking. Out of the box they have SUPER hot treble. Very spiky/splashy and uncontrolled. I found that using the comply ISO 400 tips have helped significantly tone down that hot treble. The complys actually fit pretty good with them, just a little loose and they fit in the case with them on. I think ISO 200 or 100 would be perfect. But even with the complys still find the treble spiky on certain tracks so I applied this W-shaped EQ.

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I like to raise the lower mids a bit to give it a fuller sound while lowering the midbass to make it sound clearer. Then from there just lowering the treble peaks as I see fit. Even with this EQ applied I still find the treble to be spiky on certain tracks (usually pop recordings). But this has been sounding pretty good for the most part.

With this setup, I find them to be very fun, punchy, engaging, and musical. I can listen to them for hours with enjoyment.

I would rank these a notch below the Tevi's/CX400BT and a couple notches below GT220. They have good detail but dont quite match the technicality, detail, resolution, and textures of the others.

They do sound better than the Earfun Free's. But I wouldn't replace them as my workout buds because the EFF's bass hits harder, has ipx7 rating, snugger fit, and actual buttons with volume control.

I think these are suitable and do a pretty decent job for watching movies/shows but could probably use some more bass. I also played some pubg mobile last night with high performance mode on and didn't notice any real lag, so I guess they could do gaming also.

One thing to note is these have VERY apparent BA timbre. I never quite understood BA timbre until I heard these. I've notice it on my other IEMs but it didn't really bother me. But these have really obvious timbre issues. Again it doesn't bother me that much but I can see how it might be bothersome to those who are sensitive and are looking for more realistic/natural sound.

Overall, I think these are a serviceable pair of TWS if you can get past the BA timbre and the treble peaks. They have very fun character similar to the KZ sound signature. I can see some instances where I would use them in my rotation. While they don't do anything particularly well, they are pretty good at a variety of things. A kind of jack of all trades, master of none.

Edit: I also haven't noticed any Bluetooth connection dropouts since yesterday.
 
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Having a listen to my WF-XB700 and have to say they do have a nice sound. The bass is a bit over cooked but not by much and the vocals are pretty solid and maybe a bit forward. The treble is slightly grainy but have some grit which is a nice change up.

I really find them comfortable, if the upcoming WF-1000XM4 manage their comfort without the pull caused from the oversized design they will be Sony's most comfortable TWS.

Their biggest downside is the mic which picks up to much background noise, that and no app support for those that prefer that.
 
May 22, 2021 at 6:19 PM Post #33,507 of 38,579

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I'm looking forward to the WF-1000XM4. I currently have the XM3 and it has always fallen out, but I found a way to keep it in by having the long end pointed more downward (4-5 o'clock position) vs horizontal. I'm pretty happy with now, especially since I've returned the Bowers & Wilkins PI7 which does sound well, but is a bit overboosted in the bass for pop/hiphop. That bass is tight and textured, though, just overboosted. The PI7's volume level is much, much lower than the XM3, however, so that was also a problem.

So now I'm going to stay with the XM3 in the meantime until the XM4 comes out in a few month.
 
May 22, 2021 at 7:04 PM Post #33,508 of 38,579

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Does anyone here use a pair of IEMs with the neck wire and buttons on it? I've had a torrid time figuring out what to get so I tried the Beats Flex and the sound is pretty MEH so I'm keeping them as a work pair. The fad seems to be "truly" wireless but the wire really suits me, always hanging around my neck ready to go and I can't lose them lol. I just would like to have decent sound though and the Beats Flex don't even sound as good as a $20 pair of wired AKGs that came with my phone.
 
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Moondrop Sparks:
OOTB, this immediately become my favorite TWS over AirPods pro.
-Wide diffusion field
-cohesive overall tonality
-bright neutral with slight bass floor lifted, not harman level.
-3-4khz area is a bit bright with a good consequence of vocal transparency.
-Not offensive bright to my standard, it’s about same as Sennheiser’s HD560S class.
-For extra $5, you a nice leather case with 水月雨 Moondrop kanji icon.
-piano sounds very welcoming on Sparks. Especially nocturnal type slow and mellow one.
-comes variety of ear tips(regular silicone, bass boost thin skin, form, AND shorter tips)
-good deeper insertion to keep TWS stable, and this helps for smaller ears for the housing not directly interfering with ear.

Moondrop nailed it
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Basically it’s about same price with Aria $80 vs Sparks $90+5 for leather case if you want.

Sound Quality wise Aria is on upper hand, but not very far, both has wide sound stage, tuned right, bass may sound a bit more engaging on Sparks with bass boost tips on.

Great for pops, with vocal focus, and inoffensive back stage music & good bass, it matches perfectly with pops /EDM.

Why would I choose Sparks over Airpods Pro? The bass, on AptX, with bass boost ear tips that came with Sparks, it’s a promising Oomph experience, not just ear canal, but inner nose also get a sense of bass resonance.
 
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Does anyone here use a pair of IEMs with the neck wire and buttons on it? I've had a torrid time figuring out what to get so I tried the Beats Flex and the sound is pretty MEH so I'm keeping them as a work pair. The fad seems to be "truly" wireless but the wire really suits me, always hanging around my neck ready to go and I can't lose them lol. I just would like to have decent sound though and the Beats Flex don't even sound as good as a $20 pair of wired AKGs that came with my phone.
I use Bowers and Wilkins PI3s and I have been happy with them. The buds have magnets in them so that they can attach to each other when not in use. For the price, I have been happy with them. The PI4s are similar with some additional features, but have no experience using those. At the time when I bought my PI3s, folks were complaining about some issues, so I went with the model down. Good luck.
 

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