Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Apr 17, 2021 at 2:18 PM Post #32,026 of 42,214

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My Technics AZ70 have stopped working, sadly. They stopped connecting to my phone, and attempting to re-pair with any device just leads to a "Connection failed" message on the device I'm trying to pair them with. That's not great for a set that I've owned for about 5 months. I still do have my Jabra 85t Elites, which I preferred to the Technics for everything else except for sound, but I did really appreciate how good the AZ70 were in terms of detail retrieval and overall technicalities.
Can you make a warranty claim? This sounds like it would fall under it.
 
Apr 17, 2021 at 2:33 PM Post #32,027 of 42,214

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Can you make a warranty claim? This sounds like it would fall under it.
That's a good idea. I had only considered whether the retailer would accept a return, but I should try the manufacturer.
 
Apr 17, 2021 at 2:44 PM Post #32,028 of 42,214

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So if u want to turn an iem into a tws do you recommend?

1. Trn bt20 15$
2. BT20s 40$
3.Bt20spro 70$
4. Fiio us 3 115$

Approximate priced on aliexpress in Canadian dollars

Think the only one with apt hd is bt20spro.
Not sure difference between bt20 and the s model. Seems to be same.
For me the diff between 20 and 20s was the annoying hiss of the 20s
For now 15$, the BT20 are a great deal.
 
Apr 17, 2021 at 3:24 PM Post #32,029 of 42,214

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Well no more HiBy R5 Saber. At all. Long story. I'm not happy.

Just in time for all the color variants of the DX160 to be sold out! Just what I needed in the midst of everything else I'm dealing with right now.

Maybe I should just bulk-sell all these TWS, too. Just bail on the hobby altogether.

This hurts.
 
Apr 17, 2021 at 3:26 PM Post #32,030 of 42,214

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Well I just wanna head and did it in bought my 1st in ear monitor in over 20 years.

Blon bl-01. Dirt cheap at about 25$.
With no burn in and an under amped tablet because I am awaiting my USB C dac amp, all I can say is wow!

So these with no tip rolling yet no EQ etc. sound better than any tws I have heard.

Bass is no deeper than others but better texture and faster without muffling the mids.

Vocals are clear Treble is extended and maybe not most detailed compared to other iems but more than most if not all tws.

If there is one tiny criticism is sometimes the lower treble can get a tiny bit hot but not fatiguing.

Imagine with better dac Amp and burn in these will sound even better.

So I can say definitively we are not quite there yet for TWS is a 25$ but beats out 300$ buds in sound quality.

I think once bluetooth LE allows higher bit rate data transmission we will get there because the drivers are not the limitation.
I just bought a used Auddio-technica Sport90BT for $21 and it also beats all the TWS I have heard. Of course they are $159 full price but they do sound better than the CKR70 TWS but not that surprising being a 7 series vs. a 9 series higher is supposed to be better. Mics are good too but hearthrough mode while having good mics has noise/hiss that is annoying and not near as good as the TWS. IMO, TWS is not quite there yet for the SQ. As you said, LE should get us the next step closer. LE will help but I also feel they need to work on dynamic driver implementation as well since one wire models have the pod and the housings are free to do more with while TWS having everything inside the housings make optimizing DD more difficult and they can improve on that front.
 
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My Technics AZ70 have stopped working, sadly. They stopped connecting to my phone, and attempting to re-pair with any device just leads to a "Connection failed" message on the device I'm trying to pair them with. That's not great for a set that I've owned for about 5 months. I still do have my Jabra 85t Elites, which I preferred to the Technics for everything else except for sound, but I did really appreciate how good the AZ70 were in terms of detail retrieval and overall technicalities.
Have u tried a factory reset? I don't own these but it's worked on other TWS when I've run into connection issues.

Check pg. 22 in the manual.
 
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Apr 17, 2021 at 7:55 PM Post #32,034 of 42,214

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So if u want to turn an iem into a tws do you recommend?

1. Trn bt20 15$
2. BT20s 40$
3.Bt20spro 70$
4. Fiio us 3 115$

Approximate priced on aliexpress in Canadian dollars

Think the only one with apt hd is bt20spro.
Not sure difference between bt20 and the s model. Seems to be same.

3 or 4 since they have charging cases. The Fiio can fit a more diverse range of earbuds in its case since the openings for the buds is a bit larger. The BT20S Pro has the added ability of being able to use one BT adapter with multiple connectors since you can purchase adapters separately.
 
Apr 17, 2021 at 11:56 PM Post #32,035 of 42,214

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Audio46 had an Open Box one for $275 for a while, but looked like someone scooped it up. Don't blame you for wanting to wait it out for the right price. Maybe Noble will do something crazy for Black Friday this year.

I think your suspicions are probably right; with the MTW2, I think the MT is superfluous. Don't get me wrong; it's a really fun and comfortable TWS. I just think it won't be that different than what you already have.. Regarding the MT, i agree. Heres hoping the next release stands out a way that makes them an easy purchase for me next time. Thanks for the heads up on the openBox deal, I'll start keeping an eye out for things like that.
 
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So if u want to turn an iem into a tws do you recommend?

1. Trn bt20 15$
2. BT20s 40$
3.Bt20spro 70$
4. Fiio us 3 115$

Approximate priced on aliexpress in Canadian dollars

Think the only one with apt hd is bt20spro.
Not sure difference between bt20 and the s model. Seems to be same.
No.4. more power and darker background.
For me the diff between 20 and 20s was the annoying hiss of the 20s
For now 15$, the BT20 are a great deal.
Does it have aptx? Conflicting things looking at aliexpress.

Bt20 - aac/sbc, lower volume/gain (less hiss with sensitive iem). 5+ hrs. May die due to sweat, no waterproofing.

Bt20s - aptx/aac/sbc, higher volume/gain, but has elevated noise floor/hiss. 6-7+ hrs. Has nano waterproof coating (no ipx given).

Both have very springy ear hooks, as there is a spring steel wire inside.


Bt20s pro - same as bt20s iirc, but has case and interchangeable softer ear hooks.


Utws3 has a separate amp with lower noise floor and more power throughput than all the other TWS adapters afaik.


I've had 2 each of #1 & 2. Skipped 3 and if it had qi charging I would already have #4.
 
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Apr 18, 2021 at 12:16 AM Post #32,037 of 42,214

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Bt20 - aac/sbc, lower volume/gain (less hiss with sensitive iem). 5+ hrs. May die due to sweat, no waterproofing.

Bt20s - aptx/aac/sbc, higher volume/gain, but has elevated noise floor/hiss. 6-7+ hrs. Has nano waterproof coating (no ipx given).

Both have very springy ear hooks, as there is a spring steel wire inside.


Bt20s pro - same as bt20s iirc, but has case and interchangeable softer ear hooks.


Utws3 has a separate amp with lower noise floor and more power throughput than all the other TWS adapters afaik.


I've had 2 each of #1 & 2. Skipped 3 and if it had qi charging I would already have #4.
Thanks. There is also a cheaper fiio any experience with that one?
 
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Anyone else have issue with Wavelet Graphic EQ being not as good as EqualizerAPO Parametric EQ?

Taotronics SoundLiberty 94 sounds so much cleaner with the AutoEQ preset (based on RTings), it also shows how much can be tweaked with EQ. However, with Wavelet there is a distortion at high volumes. It doesn't really clip per se (as on my Anker Q30), but at higher volumes the snare and sibilant sounds have a hard edge to them.

Does SoundPeats T2 remember your ANC setting the next time you power them on? That's one annoyance I have with the SoundLiberty 94. I end up draining the battery quite quickly.

EDIT: Used the 94s for less than 4 hours today. Case battery already depleted. Abysmal.
 
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