Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Mar 22, 2021 at 8:09 AM Post #31,036 of 35,633

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I'm still having issues with my CA MT's... Sometimes both earbuds wont connect when taken out of the case, and other times one of the earbuds wont charge properly.

All the other branded TWS I've owned just works, that's one of the big upsides with TWS.

Thinking of returning the MT's, their convenience factor is just too bad compared to others, despite the awesome sound and comfort.

It's just ridiculous that Cambridge Audio are having these issues with their product in 2021, it's not like TWS are a new product type any more. Something went very wrong at some point during the product development, it's also very strange that they didn't catch all these problems during the test phase.

Feels like Sennheiser MTW gen 1 all over again...They sound great and all, but there's some major technical difficultis that kills the product.
I returned mine. It was a huge disappointment, felt very half baked and rushed
 
Mar 22, 2021 at 9:13 AM Post #31,037 of 35,633

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I returned mine. It was a huge disappointment, felt very half baked and rushed

At this point I doubt that CA can fix them via software updates, it seems to be an inherent design problem.

I'm not that tech savy, but I do find it odd that Melomania shows up as L and R in the bluetooth menu instead as a single pair like most other TWS.

I'll give them until my return window is up.
 
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Mar 22, 2021 at 9:45 AM Post #31,038 of 35,633

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At this point I doubt that CA can fix them via software updates, it seems to be an inherent design problem.

I'm not that tech savy, but I do find it odd that Melomania shows up as L and R in the bluetooth menu instead as a single pair like most other TWS.

I'll give them until my return window is up.
the L2P do also.
I am in a newer Samsung phone and have had no connection issues with mine after the initial firmware updates. What are you pairing yours to?
 
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Mar 22, 2021 at 10:34 AM Post #31,039 of 35,633

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It sounds like you have an issue with the Hiby itself. Problem is that it COULD be software related, or it could be the hardware. I know that DAPs (even the best of them) cannot usually match the hardware of a good flagship phone, except for the amp/DAC section (which is where they focus more anyhow). Things such as wifi, BT, cpu, the OS itself, are usually only just functional because they focus (almost) exclusively on the sound that it is capable of making. There are of course exceptions to this rule of thumb.

You are absolutely right. The phone/DAP etc... is only used for transporting the music to the amp/DAC of the TWS. So, if there is no DSP being done at the source, any source you play music from should sound exactly the same as any other.
Thanks a lot


So the best way to improve the sound quality is get the right earbud, even with my china phone
 
Mar 22, 2021 at 10:46 AM Post #31,040 of 35,633

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I guess, but a phone and tablet are both pretty easy to replace the battery. So even if the tech falls behind they're still usable years after launch.

Personally I doubt I'd wanna spent the money that Bowers & Wilkins might charge for thr P17. Unless there's an easy way to replace the battery.
Yeah, how sweet would it be if someone comes out with a TWS w/ replaceable batteries? I'm into flashlights and I have one with a 10180 battery that's so small I can barely hold it in my hand without dropping it.
 
Mar 22, 2021 at 10:53 AM Post #31,041 of 35,633

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Hmm. Id say i like a U type graph/sound. But, with more emphasis on mids. I like the l2p quite a bit. I wouldn't mind perhaps a better mid range presence as i think that is the weak point of the l2p.

I currently own the L2P and Nuarl N6. I've tried the Sony XM3 - which i liked but they were bought used and had more damage than id have liked (ebay) and at one point had the adv sound model x.

I'm more intrigued by new offerings as a whole.

Price isn't really an issue.
I love my N6Ps. Best sound of all my TWS (Jabra 65t, crappy XM3s...) but they truly do not compare to the KEF mu3s.
 
Mar 22, 2021 at 11:12 AM Post #31,042 of 35,633

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Hi;

When I pair the Soundpeats H1 with the Hiby R3 pro and the connection is never be as good as connection to phone (redmi T9 pro), no matter what codec I selected, it drops a lot and a lot, for seconds every time. This happens with all my TWS IEM, Mpow, Lypertek levi, Fiil T1x, ... DAP pioneer XDP-300R or R3pro....

Anything else I could do?

Second question is about sound quality.
While using TWS IEM and the DAP/Phone is not using the chipset which output to the headphone jack. It is using another chipset for bluetooth to send the sound to the TWS, right? In this case, no matter how good that the DAP output sound to the , say 3.5mm jack, the sound should be same as phone if the bluetooth chips same? The tuning is only depends on the TWS IEM? if yes and seems really no point to use a DAP for this purpose. OR my understanding is wrong??

People using TWS IEM here only use their phone for music?
Unfortunately it all depends on what Bluetooth chip was used and how it’s implemented (codec), nothing to do with the devices internal dac. Just the two Bluetooth chips and their ability to share and translate that information. The better the two devices communicate (codec same language and better rates), the better the quality of the music can be. With chips that use AAC primarily, Apple devices tend to be better since Apple doesn’t restrict the power supply with Bluetooth the way many Android devices do to lengthen battery life. Strange because Apple bottlenecks it’s lightning port with low power use through it for dongle dacs but not it’s Bluetooth, while Android seems to do the exact opposite. Part of the reason my Bluetooth headsets require lower volume levels through my iPhone then through my Fiio m15. Although the Fiio m15 plays Apt X HD to my Falcon Pro’s which I like better then AAC with the Falcon Pro’s.
 
Mar 22, 2021 at 11:59 AM Post #31,044 of 35,633

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the chipset thing is annoying.

I got some cheap soundpeats for sleeping and podcasts, didnt think i need much.

so you have Qualcomm, Realtek and Mediatek now with chipsets, and unless you get something qualcomm powered or something from Sony, its going to be just SBC and AAC and the latency will suck. and were seing a lot of manufacturers saving a buck or two getting the realtek or Mediatek chipset so they can skip on the aptx license, so they are great for music, but as soon as you watch a video o try to follow a clip on youtube. screw it.
 
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the chipset thing is annoying.

I got some cheap soundpeats for sleeping and podcasts, didnt think i need much.

so you have Qualcomm, Realtek and Mediatek now with chipsets, and unless you get something qualcomm powered or something from Sony, its going to be just SBC and AAC and the latency will suck. and were seing a lot of manufacturers saving a buck or two getting the realtek or Mediatek chipset so they can skip on the aptx license, so they are great for music, but as soon as you watch a video o try to follow a clip on youtube. screw it.

That's what the Bluetooth SIG are trying to solve with Bluetooth Audio LE and their LC3 codec, hopefully the market will look quite different in 2-3 years :)

Such a shame about the time frame tho, LC3 was announced at CES 2020, but we still don't have a single device with it. I'm sure the whole COVID-situation played a big part in the delay.
 
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the chipset thing is annoying.
Supremely. I'm more annoyed because the so-called "leaps" in tech improvement due to poor implementation seem like either lateral or downward moves as far as stability is concerned. I had high hopes for LDAC, but getting a consistently-high bitrate is a constant problem. Seems aptX Adaptive isn't that far off.

To date, I still think aptX HD was as good as it got all around, meaning that's what I'll look for if I can help it. Your options are severely limited for HD, though, and it's really unfortunate that it's been so overlooked these days. Pretty sure only the Etymotion cable will do it; while the NFP are technically backwards-compatible with legacy aptX codecs, aptX HD is somehow not selectable in Development Options.

So, yeah, it's a mess.
 
Mar 22, 2021 at 12:47 PM Post #31,047 of 35,633

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At this point I doubt that CA can fix them via software updates, it seems to be an inherent design problem.

I'm not that tech savy, but I do find it odd that Melomania shows up as L and R in the bluetooth menu instead as a single pair like most other TWS.

I'll give them until my return window is up.


As the guy below you mentioned. There are some newer offerings that still do this. I too also wonder how different phone types play into issues people have and dont have. Every bluetooth solution has worked without hiccups on my note 10. My friends LG G6...not so much. Im hoping its the same when my CA MTs arrive this week.
 

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Mar 22, 2021 at 12:59 PM Post #31,049 of 35,633

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As the guy below you mentioned. There are some newer offerings that still do this. I too also wonder how different phone types play into issues people have and dont have. Every bluetooth solution has worked without hiccups on my note 10. My friends LG G6...not so much. Im hoping its the same when my CA MTs arrive this week.
Fingers crossed for your sake. My issues are on a OnePlus 8T and may have been linked to a firmware update that didn't take quite well the first time. My suggestion is remain patient and be prepared to hard-reset the buds a time or two if you hit a dead end.
Still use my pair when I DJ (very seldom lately). I very much need to replace my earpads though.
Gave mine to the movers a while back when I realized how many pairs I had to have them box up. Figured it was the least I could do. I'm sure they really appreciated it.
 

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