Going fully Wireless IEMs. Too soon? Or are we there yet?
Mar 5, 2021 at 6:53 PM Post #30,241 of 38,787

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Seems a bit better this way. I also am trying my magic tips from my soundcore Liberty 2pro that seem to be the only tips that make the Sony and JBL work for me and sensibly they are better on these too. They are just a tiny bit shallower so the tip of the fin floats more and supports against the cartilage instead of paying the tip against the wall of the ear cartilage if you get my meaning.
That said I would prefer not to be aware of the find at all. Maybe more I am feeling the residual irritation.
The JBL while not as secure never caused pain.
I did find and link those Chi-Fi ones a few pages back. Might be worth considering, but it's AE...obv won't show up tomorrow via Prime.

It's very likely you're getting fatigued from messing around with a new pair so much. Have any over-ears you can take a break with?
I'm wondering what this thread's take is on the galaxy pro's? I saw a bit about them a few months back and then nothing. I got a pair to go with my android phone (pixel 3) and PC, and I kinda like them, but they are a bit fatiguing to my ears and like many others don't fit well. The sound itself is good though, although sometimes the treble can be a bit too much. I had the sony wf-xsm3's for a while but didn't like the sound as much and had connection issues.

I'll likely return, but I'm unsure what to try next. I'm no audiophile, but the biggest single attribute I want is good sound, assuming they meet some minimum requirements. For me this is, in no particular order:

1. Good solid connection with my phone/PC
2. ANC (doesn't have to be top notch but it is important to me)
3. Hear through ie I want to be able to change a setting so I can talk to others without taking the iem's out. I love how on the samsung, if I talk it automatically goes to that mode.
4. Decently good mic - just enough for some calls and occasional webcam use.
I'm in a very anti-Samsung camp after one of their Galaxy S4s tried to burn my house down. Wouldn't have been such a big deal if Samsung didn't try to outright deny it, all the way up the corporate ladder, then had that rash of issues about a year later. Long story short, Samsung's out for me no matter how good they are. It's a principle thing.

Based on the remainder of your requirements, the best option's going to be the Jabra 85t simply off Requirement 1 alone. That combined with the Jabra Link 380 provides a significant boost in both audio quality for general listening as well as call quality during all these work-from-home meetings. ANC is plenty robust, HearThrough works great, and I think I covered the mic well enough.

Pro tip: Look for the refurbished models on Jabra's Ebay page. They still have the Elite Active 75t for under $100, so you could reasonably apply that savings towards the Link (which I had to get from their website directly). With coupon, pretty sure I paid about $130 for those 85t. At that price, I can't complain about a dang thing.
 
Mar 5, 2021 at 7:22 PM Post #30,242 of 38,787

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I'm wondering what this thread's take is on the galaxy pro's? I saw a bit about them a few months back and then nothing. I got a pair to go with my android phone (pixel 3) and PC, and I kinda like them, but they are a bit fatiguing to my ears and like many others don't fit well. The sound itself is good though, although sometimes the treble can be a bit too much. I had the sony wf-xsm3's for a while but didn't like the sound as much and had connection issues.

I'll likely return, but I'm unsure what to try next. I'm no audiophile, but the biggest single attribute I want is good sound, assuming they meet some minimum requirements. For me this is, in no particular order:

1. Good solid connection with my phone/PC
2. ANC (doesn't have to be top notch but it is important to me)
3. Hear through ie I want to be able to change a setting so I can talk to others without taking the iem's out. I love how on the samsung, if I talk it automatically goes to that mode.
4. Decently good mic - just enough for some calls and occasional webcam use.

If AnC is important in any way then Jabra,Sony,Bose would be top 3 choices

If audio sound with ANC is important then Sennheiser momentum 2 true wireless would be best option.

If you are on a budget tronsmart Apollo bold has quite good ANC for about 100$
 
Mar 5, 2021 at 7:30 PM Post #30,243 of 38,787

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okay. yeah that's tough. Because yes you're right about bass on N6P, but i feel i have other products that fill the need for that. Famous last words but i think i'm gonna hold off on the MT then unless something else wears out. I think i'd like the sound a lot, but was hoping for basicly an N6P with better bass. Thanks for your reply.
If I could make a suggestion?! If you like the N6Pro sound but want better bass, then maybe you should try the Hifiman TWS600. They do in fact have much better bass. It is similar in that it is not totally in your face, but it is much fuller and has some texture to it. They are tuned to be mid forward just like the N6Pro, and they have great detail retrieval. Granted they are AAC or SBC (no AptX), but I can't really hear the difference on these. I think they did the codecs right. The big difference, besides the bass, is that the mids are actually a bit too forwards. I EQ down the 1k and 2k region a bit further than I do with the N6Pro (but you may like them as is). The other thing that makes them attractive is that they are only $50, so you really can't lose.

I would say that those two are very similar in tuning, but the Hifiman is actually a bit cleaner overall, just a bit shouty in the upper mid/lower treble, but certainly not sibilant at all. I believe they do burn-in (or your brain gets used it) and tone down a bit, but if you can't handle it, then just EQ that region down about 3 or 4 db.

These are some of the best fitting TWS I have, and I love the physical button (which is not TOO stiff or TOO soft). I have worn these all day at work and not a single hot-spot. Granted, I ditched the stock tips (which weren't bad per se') for the Final E tips (the regular ones), and they are even more comfortable for me. They also fit into the case with these (and I suspect any stock IEM tips) really well.

Keep in mind that when I say better bass, it is not boomy, nor is it huge amounts in quantity, but it is the quality. It DOES have more quantity too, but it is not all sub-bass, and it is much better controlled. There is good mid and upper bass too. I can hear the snares and all other drums much better on these (which is pretty much a prerequisite nowadays for me, because while I do like some synth bass, I really love analog or real instruments that make those sounds). I wouldn't classify the bass as fast and punchy as planars or even really good dynamics, but for a TWS it is almost an "audiophile" type of bass in its quality.

Anyhow just a suggestion if you like the N6Pro sound!
 
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Seems a bit better this way. I also am trying my magic tips from my soundcore Liberty 2pro that seem to be the only tips that make the Sony and JBL work for me and sensibly they are better on these too. They are just a tiny bit shallower so the tip of the fin floats more and supports against the cartilage instead of paying the tip against the wall of the ear cartilage if you get my meaning.
That said I would prefer not to be aware of the find at all. Maybe more I am feeling the residual irritation.
The JBL while not as secure never caused pain.
Yeah, even with the large selection of tips/wings I also found these to be hard to get a good fit. I ended up using the Spinfit CP360, and as of today, I have taken the wings out. I haven't had time to test them for a day or more yet, but even the small ones had a bit of a hot-spot (though not as big as the medium and large ones). Maybe my skin doesn't like the material used or something, because there was not really any pressure that would indicate they might hurt after a while. Hope you get them to your liking, because it would a shame if you had to get rid of them just because you can't get them stuffed in your ears comfortably....
 
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Looks like a full wipe took care of the gremlins for now. Volume control by phone works just fine with the MTs now Volume control's still borked, but at least pairing was effortless this time. I did learn that, if your MT factory reset is successful, one or both of the lights may not come back on after it's finished...means it's powered down and ready for immediate pairing after they get pulled out of the case. That's kinda nifty.

I'm just not looking forward to restoring all of my app logins now...man, I really need to get Titanium up and running on this thing.
I just thought of this, because I had issues with this when I first started using my Deva. Did you try disabling absolute volume in developers options? Many BT devices aren't compatible with this, and I believe it is enabled by default on phones. Or enabling it if it is disabled?!
 
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Yeah, even with the large selection of tips/wings I also found these to be hard to get a good fit. I ended up using the Spinfit CP360, and as of today, I have taken the wings out. I haven't had time to test them for a day or more yet, but even the small ones had a bit of a hot-spot (though not as big as the medium and large ones). Maybe my skin doesn't like the material used or something, because there was not really any pressure that would indicate they might hurt after a while. Hope you get them to your liking, because it would a shame if you had to get rid of them just because you can't get them stuffed in your ears comfortably....

Ironically my most comfortable fitting tws right now are the Fiil t1pro.
JBL comfortable but not as secure.
Oddly the Sony are doing well in that regard and at the price I paid and their great ANC I might just keep them
 
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I just thought of this, because I had issues with this when I first started using my Deva. Did you try disabling absolute volume in developers options? Many BT devices aren't compatible with this, and I believe it is enabled by default on phones. Or enabling it if it is disabled?!
Thanks! Box was called "Disable Absolute Volume" and, by default, was unchecked. It is now checked. I'll let you know if that works.
 
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Access idly my must comfortable firing tws right now are the Fiil t1pro.
JBL comfortable but not as secure.
Oddly the Sony are doing well in that regard and at the price I paid and their great ANC I might just keep them
Just curious, why do you find that odd? Are they known to not be comfortable or secure?
 
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Just curious, why do you find that odd? Are they known to not be comfortable or secure?
Well the Sony if you read are always considered poor fitting easy to fall out.... With the right tips they seem very secure and while they are heavier so I notice them in my ears there is never discomfort and can wear comfortably for a long time.
I am having such a hard time finding a daily driver earbud that I can use for most activities.

If I can get the MT to fit comfortably then they have great sound transparency and a secure fit for exercise. Not ready to give up. Just need to rest my bruised ears.
 
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I would disagree on Noble Falcons. I think, they have the best sound out of all on your list. At least resolution and sound stage. I have Grados on order. Will see if they will beat it.
I'm with you on this. Love my Falcon pros. At first with the stock tips the treble har far too much bite for me, but that is actually a good thing for tws. Airh final audio type e tips, the treble gets reduced to what I would consider normal levels with detail. Treble is the biggest issue with tws, due to codec and freq response. It's the upper registers that lose the most information as they are higher on the freq spectrum. I almost feel as if I don't miss much detail with the falcon pro and final e tips. They are awesome. Ambient mode works well enough as I don't have to take them off, and passive cancelation is good with the deep fit. Aptx adaptive works great for gaming with an aptx ll adapter and my Switch. These are great musical iems. Best I've heard to date. Haven't heard Grado, but like them better than Sennheiser
 
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New update available for galaxy buds live.

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