[Deppengu]

So first of all, hello, Im looking for few months for headphones I like, I came to IEMs in the end I think they are the ones I preffer now.

The headphones I was looking for are ones that have strong or sharp or whatever you call it higher notes and a bass that is not too strong (By too strong I mean the Sony MDR-XB950BT with bass boost) but can be felt.

So first, bass, I dont understand bass at all, I had 2 IEMs one of them had more bass but other weaker bass but it literally moved the IEM and I felt the bass (Sennheiser CX 3.00) Was not datisfied with them tho (Im looking for audio type not quality even tho quality would be nice bcs what i look for is specific enough, now to be picky for quality too is anoyng)

The ones I really liked are the "Razer Hammerhead", It was long ago, I just remember I loved my song the most with these.... or was it jbl speakers.... why did a second option come...

So the song I love and the only I love is Radar Detector Remix , there is another one but this one is more my focus, when I listened the song it literally paralysed me and made me fall asleep in seconds, my guess is the bass with the higher notes combined make that effect, not sure tho.



So I wanted to ask, is here a IEM that works the way I asked? I would spend max 200€ maybe 300€ but rather 200, attachable cable preffered too. Maybe hybrid drivers, but Il let you decide, if you are 100000% sure you know the ones I want and you feel hypnotised in the song please tell me, will even pay 500 if you are that sure.

Right now Im geting the VSonic GR07 Bass Im not sure will they do what I wanted but will see, if you have some what you are sure are correct ones Im looking for please tell me, IEMs I tryed so far were (HD598, Sony MDR-XB950BT, HD6XX, CA Comet, Ath/E40, Shure SE215)

 

[ProtegeManiac]

The headphones I was looking for are ones that have strong or sharp or whatever you call it higher notes and a bass that is not too strong (By too strong I mean the Sony MDR-XB950BT with bass boost) but can be felt.

You already have some problems there.

Bass that can be felt but not too audible to the ears are in the lowest frequencies, like how if you watched The Conjuring in cinemas or a full-on home theater system with two 15in subwoofers you have infrasound that you can't hear but is making you feel scared the same way that pets can feel the infrasound of an earthquake and volcanic activity and start going nuts just as humans can walk through the savanna or jungle after a full moon and have the genetic memory plus the infrasound from the breathing of a lion or tiger make them uncomfortable just as smilodon did with their ancestors.

Problem with single driver designs is you have a single, non-specialized driver trying to handle everything from 20hz (if not lower) all the way to 20,000hz. Driver parameters are not good for everything - you need something large surface area with long excursion for bass (ie why the MTX Jackhammer is a 22in driver with fat rubber surrounds) while high frequencies need nimble, small drivers so they can move back and forth very quickly (ie the hz or cycles corresponds to how fast the driver has to move to reproduce a given frequency). This is why speakers either have multiple specialized drivers, like a Focal Stella Utopia with two 10in subwoofer drivers, a midbass, a midrange, and a tweeter, or a "fullrange" speaker that has a single driver in a gigantic bass reflex enclosure with a complex port to enhance the low end but has a notch filter to tame the distortion at the top end of the range.

Getting all the sounds of multiple drivers is problematic on a headphone and human neck muscles have not evolved to Brock Lesnar's to carry what essentially would be two transmission line standmounts on the head.

You can of course just make the upper bass loud enough to also rattle but then that would make the bass inaudible.

So first, bass, I dont understand bass at all, I had 2 IEMs one of them had more bass but other weaker bass but it literally moved the IEM and I felt the bass (Sennheiser CX 3.00) Was not datisfied with them tho (Im looking for audio type not quality even tho quality would be nice bcs what i look for is specific enough, now to be picky for quality too is anoyng)

IEMs have a bore/spout that focuses the sound coming from several drivers, which allows for use of multiple drivers.

In your specific case it has as much to do with small, less well built shells trying to contain the kinetic energy of the drivers. In short, it's less like an Audeze LCD-2 where somebody running Bass 305 will have the shells physically moving, but more of like if you put a 22in MTX Jackhammer in a compact car with cheap sheet metal and no sound deadening (compared to if it was in a Cadillac or Range Rover).

At the same time that spout focuses the bass into the ear canal, something a headphone does not have, which means that for every bass boost you apply to a Sennheiser HD580 for example, some of it will get audibly negated by hearing the rattling of its chassis (and why the HD580J going forward has a stiffer chassis).

In short, you might just be mistaking how loud the bass is on a cheap, old compact car vs a luxury SUV or any decent car. Case in point: I was at one show where a Kia Pride (Ford Fiesta elsewhere) had one Kicker 12in subwoofer shaking and registered at 138dB, then an Infiniti G35 (think of it as the Lexus of the Nissan 350Z in the US and anybody old and rich enough to order it in Asia) came up next with a single 8in JL Audio 8w7 subwoofer and it registered at 140dB with no visible vibration nor audible sound outside. We didn't even think the run has started yet (it's an outdoor venue so naturally there's a lot of noise outside the car) until the screen showed 140dB.

So I wanted to ask, is here a IEM that works the way I asked? I would spend max 200€ maybe 300€ but rather 200, attachable cable preffered too. Maybe hybrid drivers, but Il let you decide, if you are 100000% sure you know the ones I want and you feel hypnotised in the song please tell me, will even pay 500 if you are that sure.

Right now Im geting the VSonic GR07 Bass Im not sure will they do what I wanted but will see, if you have some what you are sure are correct ones Im looking for please tell me, IEMs I tryed so far were (HD598, Sony MDR-XB950BT, HD6XX, CA Comet, Ath/E40, Shure SE215)

I wouldn't bet on IEMs at that price range when the higher you go up the range chances are the smoother the response will likely be. At best you'll get a smooth response that will 1) have relatively flat response, just that the lower range is stronger than the upper range (ie HD6XX, HD650, LCD-2, etc) while 2) it will deprive you of the sharp treble you crave to go along with the bass that is causing auditory masking (that or you already have hearing damage and can't hear the upper frequencies well enough).

The ones I really liked are the "Razer Hammerhead", It was long ago, I just remember I loved my song the most with these.... or was it jbl speakers.... why did a second option come...

So the song I love and the only I love is Radar Detector Remix , there is another one but this one is more my focus, when I listened the song it literally paralysed me and made me fall asleep in seconds, my guess is the bass with the higher notes combined make that effect, not sure tho.

Why not just get another Razer Hammerhead if you know you like that? I mean if this was about speakers, as much as a Sonus Faber Stradivari Homage and Focal Stella Utopia have two 10in subwoofers per cabinet, it won't have the kind of strong bass you want nor the sharp treble, so if your speakers were something like a Kicker set in the car built around two 15in Solobaric subwoofers and a component set that has metal tweeters, you might as well just buy a JBL entry level standmount pair and use two 15in Velodyne HT subwoofers at home instead of spending all that money on Sonus Faber or Focal.

 

[Deppengu]

You already have some problems there.

Bass that can be felt but not too audible to the ears are in the lowest frequencies, like how if you watched The Conjuring in cinemas or a full-on home theater system with two 15in subwoofers you have infrasound that you can't hear but is making you feel scared the same way that pets can feel the infrasound of an earthquake and volcanic activity and start going nuts just as humans can walk through the savanna or jungle after a full moon and have the genetic memory plus the infrasound from the breathing of a lion or tiger make them uncomfortable just as smilodon did with their ancestors.

Problem with single driver designs is you have a single, non-specialized driver trying to handle everything from 20hz (if not lower) all the way to 20,000hz. Driver parameters are not good for everything - you need something large surface area with long excursion for bass (ie why the MTX Jackhammer is a 22in driver with fat rubber surrounds) while high frequencies need nimble, small drivers so they can move back and forth very quickly (ie the hz or cycles corresponds to how fast the driver has to move to reproduce a given frequency). This is why speakers either have multiple specialized drivers, like a Focal Stella Utopia with two 10in subwoofer drivers, a midbass, a midrange, and a tweeter, or a "fullrange" speaker that has a single driver in a gigantic bass reflex enclosure with a complex port to enhance the low end but has a notch filter to tame the distortion at the top end of the range.

Getting all the sounds of multiple drivers is problematic on a headphone and human neck muscles have not evolved to Brock Lesnar's to carry what essentially would be two transmission line standmounts on the head.

You can of course just make the upper bass loud enough to also rattle but then that would make the bass inaudible.

Basically hybrid are a must?

IEMs have a bore/spout that focuses the sound coming from several drivers, which allows for use of multiple drivers.

In your specific case it has as much to do with small, less well built shells trying to contain the kinetic energy of the drivers. In short, it's less like an Audeze LCD-2 where somebody running Bass 305 will have the shells physically moving, but more of like if you put a 22in MTX Jackhammer in a compact car with cheap sheet metal and no sound deadening (compared to if it was in a Cadillac or Range Rover).

At the same time that spout focuses the bass into the ear canal, something a headphone does not have, which means that for every bass boost you apply to a Sennheiser HD580 for example, some of it will get audibly negated by hearing the rattling of its chassis (and why the HD580J going forward has a stiffer chassis).

In short, you might just be mistaking how loud the bass is on a cheap, old compact car vs a luxury SUV or any decent car. Case in point: I was at one show where a Kia Pride (Ford Fiesta elsewhere) had one Kicker 12in subwoofer shaking and registered at 138dB, then an Infiniti G35 (think of it as the Lexus of the Nissan 350Z in the US and anybody old and rich enough to order it in Asia) came up next with a single 8in JL Audio 8w7 subwoofer and it registered at 140dB with no visible vibration nor audible sound outside. We didn't even think the run has started yet (it's an outdoor venue so naturally there's a lot of noise outside the car) until the screen showed 140dB.

Sorry Im not good with cars, but not literaly moving, I did not know how else to explain it because I was not looking for more bass but stronger bass

I wouldn't bet on IEMs at that price range when the higher you go up the range chances are the smoother the response will likely be. At best you'll get a smooth response that will 1) have relatively flat response, just that the lower range is stronger than the upper range (ie HD6XX, HD650, LCD-2, etc) while 2) it will deprive you of the sharp treble you crave to go along with the bass that is causing auditory masking (that or you already have hearing damage and can't hear the upper frequencies well enough).

Im actually not sure what makes the song magical, I did not get the "magic" for a while because dont have the audio for that, I doubt that my hearing is damaged bcs I can hear higher frequencies than family members and friends (especially cars using their brakes) and I never listen to loud audio, but I do feel pain with higher frequencies, maybe between mid and high, not sure tho. If you could listen to the song would be great, maybe thats the easiest way, I think you will like it.

Why not just get another Razer Hammerhead if you know you like that? I mean if this was about speakers, as much as a Sonus Faber Stradivari Homage and Focal Stella Utopia have two 10in subwoofers per cabinet, it won't have the kind of strong bass you want nor the sharp treble, so if your speakers were something like a Kicker set in the car built around two 15in Solobaric subwoofers and a component set that has metal tweeters, you might as well just buy a JBL entry level standmount pair and use two 15in Velodyne HT subwoofers at home instead of spending all that money on Sonus Faber or Focal.

Well, razer hammerhead doesent have a attachable cable what makes its lifespan 1-2 years, even tho the eartips are rly good even tho the most pimples I got in my ears are with those eartips.
I rly doubt that I can use speakers, the second I get my own home will buy speakers, but currently with a friend, dont want to bother him.

So conclusion is, dual drivers and dont aim too high bcs the higher I go the less V shape EQ its going to be or whatever is the best for that song.

 

[ProtegeManiac]

Basically hybrid are a must?

You mean a dynamic driver and a balanced armature driver inside an IEM? Not necessarily. It depends. The Aurisonics line other than the ASG line that was the first generation of Fender IEMs (that they rebadged) had the first two IEMs from the bottom that had a single DD with lots of bass and a peak in the treble, unlike the rolled off top end on the ASG line.

The problem is that Fender already killed off that line so you might have to look up reviews on their latest IEM line.

Sorry Im not good with cars, but not literaly moving, I did not know how else to explain it because I was not looking for more bass but stronger bass

"More" and "stronger" are easily conflated.

"Stronger" easily means "louder."

"More" can mean "louder" as well as "wider (ie more) frequencies."

And the thing with what you want is that it tends to mean both getting more lower freq bass as well as generally strong enough throughout the bass range. Meaning that an HE400i while reaching down to 20hz flat from 1000hz covers more frequencies but while it does add to more palpable bass would not necessarily mean "louder" or "stronger;" HD650 has louder bass due to a plateau in the bass region - 150hz down to 50hz - louder than the rest of the range, but unfortunately that "rest of the range" includes how it trails off and gets weaker than at 1000hz once you go past 45hz downwards; meaning that in a way the safest bet if you were looking for a closed back fullsize headphone the safest bet would be the Audeze LCD-2 pre-Fazor (open back LCD-2C now), which is nearly as flat as the HE400i but the 20hz to 800hz plateau is taller than everything above 2000hz...

Im actually not sure what makes the song magical, I did not get the "magic" for a while because dont have the audio for that, I doubt that my hearing is damaged bcs I can hear higher frequencies than family members and friends (especially cars using their brakes) and I never listen to loud audio, but I do feel pain with higher frequencies, maybe between mid and high, not sure tho. If you could listen to the song would be great, maybe thats the easiest way, I think you will like it.

Well, razer hammerhead doesent have a attachable cable what makes its lifespan 1-2 years, even tho the eartips are rly good even tho the most pimples I got in my ears are with those eartips.
I rly doubt that I can use speakers, the second I get my own home will buy speakers, but currently with a friend, dont want to bother him.

So conclusion is, dual drivers and dont aim too high bcs the higher I go the less V shape EQ its going to be or whatever is the best for that song.

...The problem there is that the lack of isolation can offset being able to hear the lowest frequencies, not to mention that "magic" you're looking for could be like how percussions pop out more on Grados, which means "upper bass boost," but "still enough low low bass to be palpable." At the same time you still want sharp treble. So if you were after a closed back headphone I'd go with the Superlux HD660.

But you're after an IEM, so the safest bet still is to look through the reviews on the latest Fender line and see if it's anything like the old Aurisonics line that they rebadged.

Since you already ordered the GR07, I'd say wait for those. If the fit is great in your ears, then we can assume you're hearing them properly, and whether you like it or not, that can serve as another reference point from which others can make a guess as to what IEMs might suit you.

 

[tansand]

I was going to suggest the vsonic vsd3s (new) for what you're looking for, it's likely GR07 are fairly similar.

 

[Deppengu]

I was going to suggest the vsonic vsd3s (new) for what you're looking for, it's likely GR07 are fairly similar.

Will see, even if they are not that good in worst scenario will buy a bluetooth addapter and use them for phone and for PC others that I like more if I find them

 

[Deppengu]

You mean a dynamic driver and a balanced armature driver inside an IEM? Not necessarily. It depends. The Aurisonics line other than the ASG line that was the first generation of Fender IEMs (that they rebadged) had the first two IEMs from the bottom that had a single DD with lots of bass and a peak in the treble, unlike the rolled off top end on the ASG line.

The problem is that Fender already killed off that line so you might have to look up reviews on their latest IEM line.




"More" and "stronger" are easily conflated.

"Stronger" easily means "louder."

"More" can mean "louder" as well as "wider (ie more) frequencies."

And the thing with what you want is that it tends to mean both getting more lower freq bass as well as generally strong enough throughout the bass range. Meaning that an HE400i while reaching down to 20hz flat from 1000hz covers more frequencies but while it does add to more palpable bass would not necessarily mean "louder" or "stronger;" HD650 has louder bass due to a plateau in the bass region - 150hz down to 50hz - louder than the rest of the range, but unfortunately that "rest of the range" includes how it trails off and gets weaker than at 1000hz once you go past 45hz downwards; meaning that in a way the safest bet if you were looking for a closed back fullsize headphone the safest bet would be the Audeze LCD-2 pre-Fazor (open back LCD-2C now), which is nearly as flat as the HE400i but the 20hz to 800hz plateau is taller than everything above 2000hz...




...The problem there is that the lack of isolation can offset being able to hear the lowest frequencies, not to mention that "magic" you're looking for could be like how percussions pop out more on Grados, which means "upper bass boost," but "still enough low low bass to be palpable." At the same time you still want sharp treble. So if you were after a closed back headphone I'd go with the Superlux HD660.

Open backs are a no go for me, I feel like I listen trough a thinn wall with open backs, first I toght the HD598 were just bad, then when I got the HD6XX was a bit depressing but atleast I learned that I dislike open backs, unless its just a sennheiser thing.

But you're after an IEM, so the safest bet still is to look through the reviews on the latest Fender line and see if it's anything like the old Aurisonics line that they rebadged.

Since you already ordered the GR07, I'd say wait for those. If the fit is great in your ears, then we can assume you're hearing them properly, and whether you like it or not, that can serve as another reference point from which others can make a guess as to what IEMs might suit you.

Ok, if review tells good bass, that means nothing to me at this point, what keyword do I need to look for to know they talk about the bass I want? And what for the high notes or whatever frequency that song uses after bass.
Yeah I dont have money for this month aniways to buy other IEMs so after I get them maybe the big driver will do something for me, btw are dual drivers a big difference or unnoticable if you compare it to similary priced single driver ones?

 

[ProtegeManiac]

Open backs are a no go for me, I feel like I listen trough a thinn wall with open backs, first I toght the HD598 were just bad, then when I got the HD6XX was a bit depressing but atleast I learned that I dislike open backs, unless its just a sennheiser thing.

It's not a Sennheiser thing. It's an open back thing. You're getting a lot more ambient noise, which you think isn't there but it is. it's like thinking your computer is quiet but it would totally fail if it was on Silent PC Review's test bench since what most people think of as quiet in practice is just "it's only very slightly louder than ambient noise where the PC is" and not "wow literally only 12dB of peak noise at this frequency range" (or 0dB if the computer is completely fanless).

The most that it can be a "Sennheiser thing" is if you got so depressed on the HD6XX that you didn't put enough wear on stiff out of the box earpads to compress the foam more (which traps more bass and puts the drivers closer to your ears, both of which boost the audible bass) or you didn't even try a proper amplifier to drive them.

But of course all of that depression is rooted in how you don't like that sound at all to begin with, hence what I'm saying about how you don't want actually flat sound. While the ASG-1's response for example is relatively smooth, it's still stronger from 40hz to 1000hz than anywhere else in the range, and actually sounds closer to the HD650 (or my HD600 with HM5 angled earpads and some EQ).

In speaker terms your tastes is more like Audiobahn/Kicker/entry level JBL in the car, lower range JBL at home, which would mean you'd get depressed about what a $1,000 Focal car speaker or $50,000 Focal or Sonus Faber tower speakers sound like.

Ok, if review tells good bass, that means nothing to me at this point, what keyword do I need to look for to know they talk about the bass I want? And what for the high notes or whatever frequency that song uses after bass.

Basically what you're looking for is bass rumble and sharp treble.

Yeah I dont have money for this month aniways to buy other IEMs so after I get them maybe the big driver will do something for me, btw are dual drivers a big difference or unnoticable if you compare it to similary priced single driver ones?

What I said above is in general terms. It still comes down to implementation. You can use as many drivers as will fit in whatever space it can be crammed into but if crossover points are problematic, the drivers' response has peaks in the range that they're assigned as opposed to using multiple drivers in order to make them playe frequencies outside the range where this is a problem, not enough air space for bass drivers to operate, speakers are not angled correctly to blend all the sound together (wrong speaker position/toe-in, room size mismatch, the spouts inside the IEM shells aren't designed with the proper length to make all the sound come together at the same time, etc) then there will be problems. This is of course in regards to keeping the response as smooth and flat as possible.

Your preferred sound though does not fall under that category of keeping the response flat since you need boosted low end and treble. In general tech terms, what I would consider "problematic" and would use if only there are other considerations (like how I need a cheap beater IEM for daily use, so I use the KZ ZST, and then heavily EQ the sharp upper midrange/lower treble region) you'd like and explain as, "it's a feature, not a bug!"

The problem with recommending you the KZ ZST that I have for example is that you still require the bass to be palpable, which it can't do despite its strong upper bass, since it doesn't have a lot of low low bass. You might enjoy its sharp upper midrange-lower treble response, but the problem there is that this strong response just adds to making the bass less audible since this is much of what you'd hear. If you don't mind using an equalizer app you can just boost the low low bass region on the ZST. I boost it there a lot to make the bass sound deeper, although I cut a lot out of the 2500hz to 6000hz response since I don't want the cymbals to sound like they're crashing right outside my ears.

That said both a badly designed dual driver (or one that is at least good for the money, like the ZST, albeit needing EQ) or a single driver design that inherently has that treble boost to go along with the bass will be what you might be looking for, but the Aurisonics Harmony/Fender FXA line is gone and I haven't even read up on the new Fender line.

 

[Deppengu]

It's not a Sennheiser thing. It's an open back thing. You're getting a lot more ambient noise, which you think isn't there but it is. it's like thinking your computer is quiet but it would totally fail if it was on Silent PC Review's test bench since what most people think of as quiet in practice is just "it's only very slightly louder than ambient noise where the PC is" and not "wow literally only 12dB of peak noise at this frequency range" (or 0dB if the computer is completely fanless).

The most that it can be a "Sennheiser thing" is if you got so depressed on the HD6XX that you didn't put enough wear on stiff out of the box earpads to compress the foam more (which traps more bass and puts the drivers closer to your ears, both of which boost the audible bass) or you didn't even try a proper amplifier to drive them.

But of course all of that depression is rooted in how you don't like that sound at all to begin with, hence what I'm saying about how you don't want actually flat sound. While the ASG-1's response for example is relatively smooth, it's still stronger from 40hz to 1000hz than anywhere else in the range, and actually sounds closer to the HD650 (or my HD600 with HM5 angled earpads and some EQ).

In speaker terms your tastes is more like Audiobahn/Kicker/entry level JBL in the car, lower range JBL at home, which would mean you'd get depressed about what a $1,000 Focal car speaker or $50,000 Focal or Sonus Faber tower speakers sound like.

Basically what you're looking for is bass rumble and sharp treble.




What I said above is in general terms. It still comes down to implementation. You can use as many drivers as will fit in whatever space it can be crammed into but if crossover points are problematic, the drivers' response has peaks in the range that they're assigned as opposed to using multiple drivers in order to make them playe frequencies outside the range where this is a problem, not enough air space for bass drivers to operate, speakers are not angled correctly to blend all the sound together (wrong speaker position/toe-in, room size mismatch, the spouts inside the IEM shells aren't designed with the proper length to make all the sound come together at the same time, etc) then there will be problems. This is of course in regards to keeping the response as smooth and flat as possible.

Your preferred sound though does not fall under that category of keeping the response flat since you need boosted low end and treble. In general tech terms, what I would consider "problematic" and would use if only there are other considerations (like how I need a cheap beater IEM for daily use, so I use the KZ ZST, and then heavily EQ the sharp upper midrange/lower treble region) you'd like and explain as, "it's a feature, not a bug!"

The problem with recommending you the KZ ZST that I have for example is that you still require the bass to be palpable, which it can't do despite its strong upper bass, since it doesn't have a lot of low low bass. You might enjoy its sharp upper midrange-lower treble response, but the problem there is that this strong response just adds to making the bass less audible since this is much of what you'd hear. If you don't mind using an equalizer app you can just boost the low low bass region on the ZST. I boost it there a lot to make the bass sound deeper, although I cut a lot out of the 2500hz to 6000hz response since I don't want the cymbals to sound like they're crashing right outside my ears.

That said both a badly designed dual driver (or one that is at least good for the money, like the ZST, albeit needing EQ) or a single driver design that inherently has that treble boost to go along with the bass will be what you might be looking for, but the Aurisonics Harmony/Fender FXA line is gone and I haven't even read up on the new Fender line.

Sorry got my phone finally so got distracted. Ok will first wait for these IEMs, when they are not it I will look into new ones, thx for all the info you gave me

 

[harry501501]

You already have some problems there.

Bass that can be felt but not too audible to the ears are in the lowest frequencies, like how if you watched The Conjuring in cinemas or a full-on home theater system with two 15in subwoofers you have infrasound that you can't hear but is making you feel scared the same way that pets can feel the infrasound of an earthquake and volcanic activity and start going nuts just as humans can walk through the savanna or jungle after a full moon and have the genetic memory plus the infrasound from the breathing of a lion or tiger make them uncomfortable just as smilodon did with their ancestors.

Problem with single driver designs is you have a single, non-specialized driver trying to handle everything from 20hz (if not lower) all the way to 20,000hz. Driver parameters are not good for everything - you need something large surface area with long excursion for bass (ie why the MTX Jackhammer is a 22in driver with fat rubber surrounds) while high frequencies need nimble, small drivers so they can move back and forth very quickly (ie the hz or cycles corresponds to how fast the driver has to move to reproduce a given frequency). This is why speakers either have multiple specialized drivers, like a Focal Stella Utopia with two 10in subwoofer drivers, a midbass, a midrange, and a tweeter, or a "fullrange" speaker that has a single driver in a gigantic bass reflex enclosure with a complex port to enhance the low end but has a notch filter to tame the distortion at the top end of the range.

Getting all the sounds of multiple drivers is problematic on a headphone and human neck muscles have not evolved to Brock Lesnar's to carry what essentially would be two transmission line standmounts on the head.

You can of course just make the upper bass loud enough to also rattle but then that would make the bass inaudible.




IEMs have a bore/spout that focuses the sound coming from several drivers, which allows for use of multiple drivers.

In your specific case it has as much to do with small, less well built shells trying to contain the kinetic energy of the drivers. In short, it's less like an Audeze LCD-2 where somebody running Bass 305 will have the shells physically moving, but more of like if you put a 22in MTX Jackhammer in a compact car with cheap sheet metal and no sound deadening (compared to if it was in a Cadillac or Range Rover).

At the same time that spout focuses the bass into the ear canal, something a headphone does not have, which means that for every bass boost you apply to a Sennheiser HD580 for example, some of it will get audibly negated by hearing the rattling of its chassis (and why the HD580J going forward has a stiffer chassis).

In short, you might just be mistaking how loud the bass is on a cheap, old compact car vs a luxury SUV or any decent car. Case in point: I was at one show where a Kia Pride (Ford Fiesta elsewhere) had one Kicker 12in subwoofer shaking and registered at 138dB, then an Infiniti G35 (think of it as the Lexus of the Nissan 350Z in the US and anybody old and rich enough to order it in Asia) came up next with a single 8in JL Audio 8w7 subwoofer and it registered at 140dB with no visible vibration nor audible sound outside. We didn't even think the run has started yet (it's an outdoor venue so naturally there's a lot of noise outside the car) until the screen showed 140dB.




I wouldn't bet on IEMs at that price range when the higher you go up the range chances are the smoother the response will likely be. At best you'll get a smooth response that will 1) have relatively flat response, just that the lower range is stronger than the upper range (ie HD6XX, HD650, LCD-2, etc) while 2) it will deprive you of the sharp treble you crave to go along with the bass that is causing auditory masking (that or you already have hearing damage and can't hear the upper frequencies well enough).




Why not just get another Razer Hammerhead if you know you like that? I mean if this was about speakers, as much as a Sonus Faber Stradivari Homage and Focal Stella Utopia have two 10in subwoofers per cabinet, it won't have the kind of strong bass you want nor the sharp treble, so if your speakers were something like a Kicker set in the car built around two 15in Solobaric subwoofers and a component set that has metal tweeters, you might as well just buy a JBL entry level standmount pair and use two 15in Velodyne HT subwoofers at home instead of spending all that money on Sonus Faber or Focal.

Enjoyed reading that, cheers

 

[PaganDL]

@ProtegeManiac,

As always, very well explained, even though I know this, always good to affirm too.

Anyway, keep up the great work !

Hope you have a great day !

@Deppengu,

I will add my humble two cents...

Basically, bass can be both a simple & complicated thing to precieve as we all hear it &/or feel it differently, much like the rest of the sound spectrum.

The important thing to note is especially where bass is concerned, do you want to 'feel' it, eg headphone/IEM physically moving or just hear it or maybe a bit of both.
When it comes down to it, all depends on you which is why it is important to demo as much as possible, granted in some cases, this might be hard to do but you should have a basic understanding of how bass response works from @ProtegeManiac, hopefully this helps you make a good decision.

Hope you have a great day !

 

[Deppengu]

@ProtegeManiac,

As always, very well explained, even though I know this, always good to affirm too.

Anyway, keep up the great work !

Hope you have a great day !

@Deppengu,

I will add my humble two cents...

Basically, bass can be both a simple & complicated thing to precieve as we all hear it &/or feel it differently, much like the rest of the sound spectrum.

The important thing to note is especially where bass is concerned, do you want to 'feel' it, eg headphone/IEM physically moving or just hear it or maybe a bit of both.
When it comes down to it, all depends on you which is why it is important to demo as much as possible, granted in some cases, this might be hard to do but you should have a basic understanding of how bass response works from @ProtegeManiac, hopefully this helps you make a good decision.

Hope you have a great day !

Thank you, will go today in a shop and test headphones, can't test IEMs sadly, but better something than nothing. Sometimes more detail is not better, was hard for me to understand all that text but even if I don't understand all of it I can come back later and reread it tho

 

[ProtegeManiac]

@ProtegeManiac,

As always, very well explained, even though I know this, always good to affirm too.

Anyway, keep up the great work !

Hope you have a great day !

@Deppengu,

I will add my humble two cents...

Basically, bass can be both a simple & complicated thing to precieve as we all hear it &/or feel it differently, much like the rest of the sound spectrum.

The important thing to note is especially where bass is concerned, do you want to 'feel' it, eg headphone/IEM physically moving or just hear it or maybe a bit of both.
When it comes down to it, all depends on you which is why it is important to demo as much as possible, granted in some cases, this might be hard to do but you should have a basic understanding of how bass response works from @ProtegeManiac, hopefully this helps you make a good decision.

Hope you have a great day !