[kiteki]

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Listened to the T5p at RMAF, it was the only high end Beyer I liked at all. I haven't heard a lot of closed headphones, granted, but I could get by with the T5p just fine if I had to have closed.

Thanks, finally something in line with my thoughts.
 
 
So you heard the T5p and the TH900 on the same day, yes?

 

[musicman59]

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I've always found the pads on the DX1000 to be a bit awkward. They just don't sit right against my face, despite my attempts to readjust them. The D7000 is far more comfortable for me, but they do leak so much they're really not a good choice for those who need isolation. I'm wondering how the TH900 will compare in this regard, sharing much of the Denon's OEM design. Still have yet to hear the T5p; Kiteki would know whether those leaked or isolated well though. The Kenwood KH-K1000 supposedly isolates so-so. Not the best, but not as bad as the Denons.
 
My recommendations as far as SQ and isolation go are the Thunderpants or the Signature Pro.

I listened to the Thunderpants fo rhte first time 2 weeks a go in out last meet and my first impression was good. Jude loaned them to me so I have them at home and put more time to them. To be honest after spending more time with them my first impression changed a little bit to the worse. IMO they are lacking detail and sounding constricted. I thought baout orering a pair but now I don't think I wil do it.
 
 

 

[musicman59]

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I'll keep that in mind. After reading some of Skylab's comparisons of the JVC to the Denons and Kenwood, it seems it may be more suited to my purposes than I originally thought. I had always assumed that the DX1000 was really not a bass heavy or rock/metal suited headphone at all, I thought it was more airy and midrangey and better suited to jazz and classical. Do you have any thoughts on that MF?
 

I own the DX1000 and IMO with some recordins the bass was overpowering the rest of the frequencies. It also sounded kind of "honky" in the midrange spacially on voices. I recable them with the Zeus and they got better. The bass got more under control and the "honky" sound was reduced. I made a comaprison to my D7000 last Saturday and it was a toos up between them really depending on the recording. With some the DX1000 was haead and with others the D7000.
 
 

 

[Maxvla]

Thanks, finally something in line with my thoughts.


So you heard the T5p and the TH900 on the same day, yes?

Yes. I would say the TH900 might be a bit more balanced in spectrum, but the T5p were more interesting and almost half the price. Comments in the link in my sig.

 

[MuppetFace]

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I'll keep that in mind. After reading some of Skylab's comparisons of the JVC to the Denons and Kenwood, it seems it may be more suited to my purposes than I originally thought. I had always assumed that the DX1000 was really not a bass heavy or rock/metal suited headphone at all, I thought it was more airy and midrangey and better suited to jazz and classical. Do you have any thoughts on that MF?
 

To my ears the DX1000 is bassier than neutral. Not as much as the D5000, but I'd put it in the area of the D7000. I think the Denons are brighter up top and have more of an energetic sound, but the midrange is a tad recessed compared to the DX1000 which is more laid back but even throughout the spectrum.
 
IMO the DX1000 is very amp dependent. Much more than the D7000. I generally like the sound of the D7000 on a variety of setups, but the DX1000 can sound dull, lifeless, and bloated on some setups. One the right setup though the DX1000 sounds quite capable.
 
Both are what I'd consider fairly colored headphones. The DX1000 maybe moreso than the D7000. The Kenwood from what I've read may be less so, though of the three it's the one I haven't heard.

 

[musicman59]

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To my ears the DX1000 is bassier than neutral. Not as much as the D5000, but I'd put it in the area of the D7000. I think the Denons are brighter up top and have more of an energetic sound, but the midrange is a tad recessed compared to the DX1000 which is more laid back but even throughout the spectrum.
 
IMO the DX1000 is very amp dependent. Much more than the D7000. I generally like the sound of the D7000 on a variety of setups, but the DX1000 can sound dull, lifeless, and bloated on some setups. One the right setup though the DX1000 sounds quite capable.
 
Both are what I'd consider fairly colored headphones. The DX1000 maybe moreso than the D7000. The Kenwood from what I've read may be less so, though of the three it's the one I haven't heard.

Agree on the DX1000/D7000 assesment.
 
 
 

 

[kiteki]

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Yes. I would say the TH900 might be a bit more balanced in spectrum, but the T5p were more interesting and almost half the price. Comments in the link in my sig.

Ok, thanks for uploading your 'notebook' of 40+ headphones in a single day.
 
You don't appear very happy with the UM Mage, UM Miracle, or AKG K1000, so I'll take your TH900 comments with some salt.
 

 

[DaveBSC]

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I own the DX1000 and IMO with some recordins the bass was overpowering the rest of the frequencies. It also sounded kind of "honky" in the midrange spacially on voices. I recable them with the Zeus and they got better. The bass got more under control and the "honky" sound was reduced. I made a comaprison to my D7000 last Saturday and it was a toos up between them really depending on the recording. With some the DX1000 was haead and with others the D7000.

 
Thanks. That mirrors some of the impressions that I've heard before. At this point I think I'm leaning in the direction of the LA7000. D7000s are available for half the price of the JVC, and that leaves plenty of money for the LA treatment. I remember the stock Denons as being fairly comfortable if not exceptionally so, and the larger Lawton "angle pads" probably help on that front.

 

 

[oqvist]

DX 1000 is killer for jazz, classical. It´s truly the only headphone that gives me the I am there feeling. Mostly sitting in the brass section so I guess that explains my need for bass for classical. Classical has always been full of life and vibrant for me life. Not sterile, dead and thin sounding HD 800 or K701 style.

 

[AppleheadMay]

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Thanks. That mirrors some of the impressions that I've heard before. At this point I think I'm leaning in the direction of the LA7000. D7000s are available for half the price of the JVC, and that leaves plenty of money for the LA treatment. I remember the stock Denons as being fairly comfortable if not exceptionally so, and the larger Lawton "angle pads" probably help on that front.

 

Just FYI, Martin has a lovely pair of D5000 for sale on his site atm, recabled and all at a nice price I think.
Add a DIY Lawton kit to that and you're all set.
 
Here is the link.

 

[musicman59]

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Thanks. That mirrors some of the impressions that I've heard before. At this point I think I'm leaning in the direction of the LA7000. D7000s are available for half the price of the JVC, and that leaves plenty of money for the LA treatment. I remember the stock Denons as being fairly comfortable if not exceptionally so, and the larger Lawton "angle pads" probably help on that front.

 

I think you will be very happy with the LA7000.
 
 

 

[Maxvla]

Ok, thanks for uploading your 'notebook' of 40+ headphones in a single day.

You don't appear very happy with the UM Mage, UM Miracle, or AKG K1000, so I'll take your TH900 comments with some salt.

The UM demos were not really comparable to the SQ of the full customs. I don't know if they've fixed this yet, but it was a pretty widespread problem. I wouldn't trust my comments with them, this is why I bought a different one. I couldn't risk it based on the fairly average sound I was hearing with the demos. The K1000 is always going to be a problem headphone in meet conditions. I wouldn't trust those impressions either. You managed to find the few impressions of that whole list I wouldn't trust, haha. Nice job

 

[kiteki]

 
It's just a coincidence that I found them I think, I used them as a barometer against the TH900, since I was overly impressed by the UM Mage / UM Miracle (demo units) and the K1000.
 
It seemed you placed detail, extension and imaging pretty low in your priorities in the intro, whereas I personally place them very high I think.
 

 

[littlebear]

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I'm looking for a headphone that's basically the opposite of what the O2 is (sealed, best suited with high-energy, more bass intensive music), but still has the overall balance and lack of coloration that I love so much about the O2. So far I've come up short, but I think the Thunderpants or LA7000 may be prime candidates. Or potentially this Fostex depending on what the folks here have to say.

I've recently gone from an O2 MkI (& SR-4070) + SRM-717 setup to Thunderpants. I find the TP1 strangely similar to the O2 actually, excepting that it's closed with much more slam. It has a similar frequency response, and even the slight rounded etching of the treble, but it can't match the open, relaxed sense of being there of the O2. Pads are very important: I found the stock pads to give a boomy bass and cavernous sound, while changing to the LCD-2 (vegan) pads makes them much leaner with plenty of detail revealed while still retaining the bass extension and slam, and increasing the soundstage to boot. The O2 pads are actually a good, and very comfortable, option also. The Beyer gel pads are comfortable too (if a bit sticky) but still too much/boomy bass for me. Whichever pad you choose, a good seal is important for bass. With any of the above, isolation will be supreme.
 
There must be something I'm not satisfied with about them though, as I'm watching this Fostex business like a hawk (especially now the price is dropping!) Not quite enough detail? Not enough realistic sense of "being there"? Not sure... maybe it's just temptation

 
Since you already have a great 'stat amp though, have you considered the 4070? Isolation is fairly good, bass is tight and lean, and it's a stat for (Audio-)gd's sake! It's VERY system dependent - I haven't heard it on the KGSS, but I found it to basically serve up your upstream components (including cables) to you on a silver platter, which I guess means it's uncolored in itself. Light, airy stat sound, amazing level of speed and detail, helped by the isolation, but again not quite as natural as the O2...

 

[littlebear]

Since it seems this Fostex phone is most likely to be similar to the Denons and I'm not familiar with those, can somebody attempt to describe the coloration of them I've heard people mention?