[FiiO M11] Android 7.0, 2.5/3.5/4.4 Powerful Output, Exynos 7872, Dual AK4493 DAC chips, 3GB RAM, WiFi, Two-way LDAC
Nov 24, 2020 at 5:03 AM Post #8,536 of 9,227

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If you have the double tap to screen on function enabled, that's the most likely culprit. Once I disabled mine, battery was as good as advertised.

Thanks - I actually have that off already, learnt that mistake early :relaxed:

I should add - battery is as good as advertised, when things are working as intended - i.e. the sleep 'app' (and of course ensuring wifi doesn't remain on in sleep, another early learning...). Just some of the power management is a bit odd. I guess I'll just have to get used to using button on screen - but I think most tend to pause their music with the side button and just take headphones off. I'd fully expect in that scenario for Android's auto sleep to kick in at some point however.
 
Nov 24, 2020 at 5:21 PM Post #8,538 of 9,227

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AKM fire damage and other parts shortages are having an impact:


James Chung


FiiO’s Next Plan for Players
2020 is going to end. We hope it will also be the end of the disaster. Recently, many users have been asking if there is any update plan for our players. Here I would like to give a reply, so that you can make purchase decisions according to your needs.
1. FiiO's product line of mid-to-high-end players
In the past two years, we have made a plan starting with the M11 for 3 mid-to-high-end players, the M11, M11Pro and M15, all of which were based on the same platform- a 5.15-inch screen + Exynos7872 + 3G RAM + 32G/64G Flash. Because these components were discontinued at the end of 2019, we have correspondingly completed the purchase order according to our estimated sales volume. However, due to their excellent performance, the actual sales volume has exceeded our expectation, which means these models will be sold out in 2020. (“Out of stock” means the stock of our factory, while our sales agents may still have inventory).
Our future mid-to-high-end players will change the processor platform. But due to a fire in the AKM factory resulting in the supply of the AK4497/AK4499 we originally planned to use encountered problems, the models that are about to be developed have to urgently replace the DAC solution. Therefore, except for a new 4497-based model that would be released in limited quantities in 3 months, other player models will be delayed until after the summer of 2021.
Taking into account the actual performance of the M11, M11Pro and M15 and the actual experience of the 7872-based platform, I personally suggest that you can just get it if you need it. Because the successors of the M11, M11Pro and M15 would all be based on a better platform without major changes in audio configurations. But if you have a preference for ESS chips, you might as well consider it later.
2. Mid-end models
Now it is the mid-end models, i.e. the M6, M7 and M9 based on Samsung Exynos7270. The M9 has been discontinued for a long time; the M7 is selling inventory; the M6 is producing the last batch. So it is estimated that in half a year, our mid-end players will be sold out. As for their successors, we are currently not planning and conducting any new research and development due to two reasons.
1) There are no appropriate processors. At present, there are fewer and fewer processors available for digital products. It is impossible to find qualified processors with appropriate cost, volume, power consumption and performance.
2) Nowadays, Bluetooth amps or little tail DAC/Amps equipped with smartphones have become a portable HIFI solution for many people. If mid-end players want to be outstanding in music experience, it may at least be equipped with Qualcomm 425 + 3G RAM + 32G Flash to meet users’ requirements. But in this case, the cost space for the audio part will be minimal. Even if we made it, it may not be as good as a Bluetooth amp or a little tail DAC/Amp, and cannot compete with mobile phones in terms of its music experience.
Therefore, mid-end players really live in a dilemma. Actual sales data also reflect this trend.
3. Low-end models
As for low-end models, the M3K, M3PRO, and M5 based on Ingenic X1000, the cost of them are very tense, whose performance mainly depends on cost control rather than technology. Therefore, we will not make any renewal plans under limited conditions. If there are demands in the market, we will continue the production. Otherwise, we will stop.
This is all the basic situations. As a manufacturer, we will also make efforts in other product types to make better promotions and sales. Survival and development will not be a problem, and difficult days will finally go to an end. If you are interested in our products, you can choose our existing products, wait for our later products, or turn to other brands. One way or another, your needs go first. Thank you very much for your attention and care for FiiO. We will keep on doing what we should do.
 
Nov 25, 2020 at 4:06 AM Post #8,540 of 9,227

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Did anyone manage to get more than 44.1khz through LDAC BT connection of the M11.. ?
I tried all available options with various players (and I am stucked to 660Kbps in High Quality never 990kbps) so I can't transfer Hires sound to an external BT amp with more than 24bits 44.1 khz !!If And when I use LDAC standard mode it's only 330Kbps.

All readers tested In Pure Music Mode, UAPP, Neutron .. all are working fine in USB mode to all my external DAC/AMP (even dsd arrives correctly)
Concerned Amps are Qudelix 5K and Xduoo XD-05 BT-PRO...

And it's working fine in 990Kbps (24bits/96Khz) with my Samsung Fold 2 5G (Android) and Sony WM1A (Non Android) in Bluetooth LDAC High Quality.
I couldn't find in developer's option any parameters concerning LDAC in the M11
Firmware used is 4.4.13-ge47c182

It's a bit annoying from the beginning the BT implementation in the Fiio M11. Sound level until august was way to low, and now transfer speed seems to be limited to 660kps.
I kept till now the M11 for its dual micro SD, but the BT implementation is really an issue. I willl start looking for another option and quit Fiio DAPs (after m9 freezing so often and M11 with the BT).
 
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Hi folks,

I ordered Fiio M11 pro and as a first DAP I'm very happy with it, but one thing worries me is the battery lifespan. Did anyone tried to replace batteries for M11 or M11 pro ?

All I've found is https://www.thephonograph.net/fiio-m11-disassembly/

but it doesn't look promising and they state that you will end up with shattered screen
 
Nov 26, 2020 at 9:38 AM Post #8,543 of 9,227

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I imagine that M11/Pro batteries should have a respectable life for at least 5 to 8 years (with 80% of the battery initial capacity still available), as we don't use a DAP as a smartphone by 24 hours a day.
 
Nov 26, 2020 at 9:41 AM Post #8,544 of 9,227

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I imagine that M11/Pro batteries should have a respectable life for at least 5 to 8 years (with 80% of the battery initial capacity still available), as we don't use a DAP as a smartphone by 24 hours a day.

Indeed. To add, as with all lithium, try and operate between 20-80% (ie don't overcharge and deplete heavily).
 
Nov 26, 2020 at 9:47 AM Post #8,545 of 9,227

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That seems to good, but hopefully...I use M11 pro with my full sized headphones at home, high gain+ wifi for stream and now I charge it even more often then phone. For IEM though the battery depletes slowly :)
 
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So having it plugged into the mains for 8 hours a day isn't good ?
In some DAP like the Sony WM1A, we have an available parameter to limit maximum charge to 90% of the battery like Apple is doing with their iphone for a while now.
Unfortunately, I am not sure android does the same with the M11 (I haven't found a way to do it with the M11 even in developer's mode). So I would avoid keeping the M11 charging 100% of the time like a desktop DAC.
 
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In some DAP like the Sony WM1A, we have an available parameter to limit maximum charge to 90% of the battery like Apple is doing with their iphone for a while now.
Unfortunately, I am not sure android does the same with the M11 (I haven't found a way to do it with the M11 even in developer's mode). So I would avoid keeping the M11 charging 100% of the time like a desktop DAC.

Jup this - maybe there is some better power management in newer android, but definitely not in this older version.
 

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