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Feliks-Audio ELISE...New thread.

Discussion in 'Headphone Amps (full-size)' started by hypnos1, Oct 1, 2015.
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  1. richdytch
    Hi all,

    I know I'm probably unearthing a subject that's been dead and buried for a while. But the other day, under the influence of alcohol, I purchased 4 6bl7 tubes.

    So now I want to use them... can anyone confirm that it's safe to use quad 6bl7 in the elise, with 6sn7 as drivers? I looked around but saw a few conflicting or unclear statements, so wanted to check.


  2. richdytch
    Also, are 6BL7 and 6SN7 interchangable? 
  3. ph58

    For me that is quite the opposite ! i use to have the T1Gen2 and return it ! for the The HD800S ! for me the HD800S is simply better ! So far ! just my personal opinions ! Thanks
  4. pctazhp

    In the end I returned the T1G2 and kept the S. It was a difficult decision, but I have never looked back.
  5. HOWIE13
    Hi Rich
    I've never compared the two types of tube, though I would expect them to sound somewhat different as they have differing characteristics.
    The heater current of the 6BL7  is 1.5A so you will exceed Elise's max of 6.8A if you use 4 of them with two 6SN7's as drivers as that set-up will produce a total of 7.2A.
  6. richdytch

    Hi Howie - thanks very much. It was the current draw I was thinking about. I'll maybe look into other options... not sure what the current draw of The el3n is but I think it's less than 6sn7...
  7. DecentLevi
    7.2ah only goes 0.4ah over the Elise load limit, which has been just fine for several of us. I have used quad 6BL7 as powers, which was the stepping stone to my "Christmas Tree" setup which was better than those. All in all though, I don't recommend quad 6BL7 as powers. IMO this is a 'bottom of the barrel' setup with a highly colored sound, and I have personally witnessed at least 6-8 further increments of improvement over those using other drivers, namely slotted Bendix 6080, GEC 6AS7G, Tung Sol 5998, and especially quad EL3N + various miniature drivers. (see the other thread for developments)
  8. Oskari

    The EL3N is worse than 6SN7 heater-wise.

    2 * C3g + 4 * 6BL7, for example, should be within safe limits.
  9. HOWIE13
    EL3N heater current is higher than 6SN7 at 0.9A
  10. DecentLevi
    I also thought the stock 6H13C powers to be superior than any of the 6BL7 and / or 6BL7 + 6SN7 and / or <---+ 6J5 power combos
  11. richdytch
    After my intoxicated tube-ordering incident, my 6BL7s arrived, and in rare multi-tube power setup for me, I'm running 2 X 6BL7 and 2 x 6SN7 as powers, with EL3N as driver. It's nice, really nice actually. Better definition in the treble/mids than the 6080/EL3N combo I've been using recently. Nice bass extension too - something that I don't experience with 6AS7G, but do with 6080... which is why I've been using them recently. Will stick with this combo for a while, and see if any harsh edges emerge and start to irritate me. 
  12. HOWIE13
     Shhhhh-- don't speak too loud but assuming you have one 6BL7 and one 6SN7 per channel as power tubes I believe you may have discovered the original 'ChristmasTree' set-up.
    Now all you do is to substitute each 6SN7 with dual 6J5's and you have the modified 'Christmas Tree', which I still find a very satisfying power arrangement.
  13. richdytch
    heheh, well I don't think I'll be going that far... 6 tubes in the elise is pretty whacky for me. It fills me with a slight feeling of unease - being something of a conformist. But it is nice. 
    It could be though, that I take the Mullard 6080 and EL3N setup back, for all its faults, as my every day setup. Even if it lacks some definition and is a bit woolly and flabby, it's just hearty and reassuring. 
  14. HOWIE13
    Yes, every day brings new tubes for me- that's the wonder of Elise-so many excellent sounding possibilities. [​IMG]
  15. richdytch
    Definitely. Really enjoying the KR vt231 with this setup. Another flavour of wonderful.
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