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Feliks-Audio ELISE...New thread.

Discussion in 'Headphone Amps (full-size)' started by hypnos1, Oct 1, 2015.
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  1. richdytch
    I've been a little bit worried about the future of our collective future - as a community - with FA. I have never been one for very whacky tube rolling (the maddest thing I've tried is EL3N as drivers) but in a recent exchange with Michal at FA he quite sternly reminded me that EL3N is not within the conditions of the warranty. Which I knew.

    I assured him that I no longer used them, but have since returned to using EL3N with great success, and want to carry on. I for one acknowledge this is my risk and would be happy to foot the bill in the unlikely (as far as we know so far) case of this practice causing any damage to the amp.

    But my main point of concern is that too much adventurous tube rolling and too many repair-returns related to it, might make FA more cautious about interacting with the Headfi community as fully as they could, and also make them less likely to come up with similarly wonderful (or better) devices in the future.

    My concerns might just be rooted in my own paranoia, or might be well founded. The truth usually lies somewhere in between.

    Not wishing to provoke any debate, but don't mind if I do. I just love the fact that amplification of such quality and character is available at this kind of price. It's a trend I'd like to see continue.
     
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  2. pctazhp
    I certainly understand your concerns. I thought someone else had talked to FA and was told there's no problem using the EL3Ns. But I can't be sure. I can't even remember what I had for breakfast (or if I even had it) any more [​IMG]
     
    For me, I have been using them for months without any problem. I know others also have used them extensively without problem. I have no concern about using them, but if I ever did have any problem with the amp I would certainly tell FA what tubes I've used. If I have to pay for the repair, then so be it. I'm sure it would pale in comparison to what I have already spent of my collection of tubes.
     
  3. richdytch
    have just amended a couple of my daft errors in that post. it's hard writing on my phone :)
     
  4. connieflyer
    Been there done that,tiny keys fat fingers!
     
  5. hypnos1
     
    Y'know richdytch, although Lukasz has been incredibly patient/understanding of our enterprising(?!) experimentation, there must certainly be a fair degree of discontent within the FA team nonetheless...so your words are striking the right note IMHO...
     
    Re.the EL3N...a good many folks have now put a good many hours on their Elises with this tube, with nothing untoward at all, AFAIK. The fact they run MUCH cooler than most other drivers - especially the likes of the ECC31, for example! - is probably a beneficial thing also LOL! [​IMG]
     
    I'm sure they won't in fact be deterred from taking Elise forward - in some direction, or other!...I do also hope this is the case...
     
  6. HOWIE13
    @richdytch
     
    If doing lots of repairs was detracting from making new equipment or preventing new developments then there might be a problem, but is that the case?
    I guess you would have to ask FA if numerous repairs were a problem. I rather doubt it as I'm only aware of a very occasional problem amp on these threads, and we are the adventurous ones
     
    As long as people are honest and tell FA which tubes/ adapters they use then FA would charge us for repairs and postage if we were to blame so won't lose financially.
     
  7. HOWIE13
    I'm surprised the FA team is discontent.
     
    We are forever eulogising about how wonderful Elise is and how well FA amps ( I've praised Espressivo too on this thread) can adapt to different musical types and personal preferences. Some threads are quite critical of their equipment- not here, and with good reason, of course, FA is a great company.
     
    If I were FA I would be delighted with this thread. It's the best advertising a manufacturer can get, and it's free.
     
    My only other experience of a small tube amp manufacturer is G1217 and they positively encourage exploration.  No such worries and concerns on the G1217 threads.
     
  8. richdytch
    @hypnosis @Howie As I say, there might be an element of paranoia in my ramblings. And sure, we are all fine at the moment. But my knowledge of electronics runs out fairly quickly after the most basic principles, but I sometimes wonder about the effect over years, on components, of conditions slightly different to those for which they were intended.

    Needless to say, all the tube rolling here has contributed a lot of knowledge and many hours of happy listening.
     
  9. HOWIE13
     
    That's the thing-your last sentence says it all.
     
    We only live once and for some of us, probably me anyway, we will be outlived by Elise. So enjoy.
     
    For younger head-fiers, technology moves on and  in 10 years time you will probably be ready for a new amp anyway.[​IMG] 
     
  10. UntilThen
    So much dissections on the topic of multi adapters. There's a danger to using multi adapters upon multi adapters. You may think it's safe just to add up all the tubes amperes and if they are below the threshold, it's safe. However, can you know for certain if piling a multi adapter upon another, you are still within the realm of simple equations?
     
    With the 6xEL3Ns, I checked with Lukasz. I send him a description of what I intended to do. He showed it to Senior Feliks. Henryk took a look and stop what he was doing. He started pacing to the end wall, deep in thoughts. Then walk back to my email and have a good look again.... and said 'Will work with the correct adapters'. These are paraphrase words from Lukasz to me. However he added, 'You do so at your own risk' ... with a big smiley. It was then I went ahead and tried the 6xEL3N. (Prior to this, Glenn did confirm that it will work in Elise. However I wanted to hear from FA themselves.) When it did work and the first listen was astonishing, I send Lukasz a photo. I remember his reaction. He goes WOW and said Feliks Audio Team sends their congratulations. [​IMG]
     
    There you go. The real Mona Lisa. [​IMG]
     
    6xPhilipsEL3N.jpg
     
  11. pctazhp
    You asked for it. You got it [​IMG]
     

     
  12. UntilThen
     
    Are you the real Mona Lisa or just a lonely cold work of art. [​IMG][​IMG]
     
  13. AltCtrl
    Are the upgraded premium drivers option on their website worth it? I'm about to pull the trigger.
     
  14. UntilThen
    No. Pull the trigger on Elise in standard configuration and go from there. You will be thrilled. Then get C3G and EL3N as drivers later. They will light up the night skies.
     
  15. pctazhp
    I'm the Real McCoy [​IMG]
     

     
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