fake grados? fake sennheiser?

May 25, 2006 at 6:23 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 13

benQue

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just wondering..izit safe to buy these headphones online?

yesterday i found a site selling senn 555 brand new for 110USD.

what i concern is..is it really what im paying for?

coz they can easily remake a grado sr-60 and make it become an rs-1 and sell it for a higher price. but i do not know if it's true or not.

even senn. they can buy the headphone casing and replace the drivers inside.

just wanna hear your opinion bout this.
 
May 25, 2006 at 6:32 AM Post #2 of 13
I've thought of this myself and only hope that if I do have fake things, there fake from the same factory. I once bought a Nikon battery charger and the lithium ion was spelled lithium iom. Funny thing about this was the fake had a made in Japan and the real one read made in China. the fake charged the battery as well as the real one.
 
May 25, 2006 at 6:36 AM Post #3 of 13
I can speak on behalf of the RS1.
I would only buy a new one from an authorized dealer. At that price range its better to spend the extra $$$ and get factory support/warranty. We've all seen the "late Friday" thread, and its better to see these in person before buying them. Mine for example has a little blob of glue oozing out from under the logo button.

Garrett
 
May 25, 2006 at 6:49 AM Post #4 of 13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor

One can get scammed anytime.

In previous discussions of this subject, the consensus was that Grados/Senns etc are not enough of a high-volume item for it to be worthwhile tooling up a factory to produce a run of fakes.
(Edit: this is different from the cloned amp situation, where the circuit design/topography of an amp is copied. The copy may well sound as near as good as the design that spawned it)

Unlike the high-value volume luxury goods/status symbol market like Rolex for example, who make over a million watches a year and sell all of them.
I mean, what's the point of owning a fake Grado/Senn that doesn't work properly (apart from an Orpheus of course
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May 25, 2006 at 7:55 AM Post #5 of 13
I agree that fake full-size headphones are unklikely (esp Sennheiser, Grado etc.), but fake earbuds are a definite problem and I would never buy 'name' earbuds on ebay from China or Hong Kong.

Simon
 
May 25, 2006 at 10:45 AM Post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by labrat
So you would buy a a fake Orpheus, even if it did not work properly?
For what?
Status?



labrat,
No - I was joking
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My tongue was lodged firmly in my cheek - I was poking fun at people who wear fake Rolexes pretending they are real
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May 25, 2006 at 1:42 PM Post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by kramer5150
I can speak on behalf of the RS1.
I would only buy a new one from an authorized dealer.



I would also consider buying a used RS-1/MS-Pro from a reputable Head-Fi member who has good pics and/or descriptions of the cans.
 
May 25, 2006 at 1:49 PM Post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by benQue
just wondering..izit safe to buy these headphones online?

yesterday i found a site selling senn 555 brand new for 110USD.

what i concern is..is it really what im paying for?

coz they can easily remake a grado sr-60 and make it become an rs-1 and sell it for a higher price. but i do not know if it's true or not.

even senn. they can buy the headphone casing and replace the drivers inside.

just wanna hear your opinion bout this.



I bought some HD-555's from JR.com for $119 (free shipping) a few months ago. That price is not that much less. I have never seen a fake of any full sized headphones...only AT earbuds and what not.

I bet if someone made a knockoff Tri-Port, it would probably sound better than the Bose one.
 
May 25, 2006 at 2:04 PM Post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by benQue
coz they can easily remake a grado sr-60 and make it become an rs-1 and sell it for a higher price. but i do not know if it's true or not.


I think it would be very difficult to turn an SR-60 into an RS-1 and make it look convincing enough (not to mention it probably wouldn't even be worth the effort). A person who is shopping for an RS-1 is more than likely educated enough to know what a proper RS-1 looks like.
 
May 25, 2006 at 2:30 PM Post #11 of 13
Suggested retail prices and market prices can vary widely with ear gear.

Some web sellers, and old time discounters (B & H photo had a catalog and phone sales before they also sold on line) frequently discount heavily. Like every other product these days, it pays to do some comparison shopping.

Some web sellers are better than others. Both TTVJ and Headroom have an unconditional 30 day return on headphones. Some have different policies but are totally reputable. Some aren't. Check reputations and policies.

If, as a prior post has noted, you see the item at several sellers for around the same price, it is probably real, and first quality. Again find a seller with a good reputation.

If it looks too good to be true, then it probably is. Still, you are free to try to verify that the deal is real, just be careful.

One example-I just looked: Sennheiser HD650

Retail: $499 (with items that are regularly discounted and widely available, the suggested retail price is more of a joke, or a marketing gimmick, than a reality. What we want to know, and don't is the retailer's cost. Like with new cars, the real question is how little profit is the retailer willing to accept.

B&H Photo: I do a lot of photography, and have dealt with B&H for years. They are totally reputable. Their return policy, on most opened items, is full for defects. I do not believe they guarantee satisfaction (so know what you want before you order. Actual, if you use their "coupon" or whatever which is available on their site: $325

TTVJ Says retail $499. Headroom says "list price" is $549 and "our price" is $499. Each site explains why they can't "show" a lower price. But, ask the magic question (which is pretty automatic-they make sure you ask) and TA-DA, you get an e-mail with the real price which is a tad more than B&H but you get the 30 day satisfaction bit. Also TTVJ and HR are sponsors here and we like them.

Moral: if you are too lazy to do a little homework, don't complain about paying more money.
 
May 25, 2006 at 3:17 PM Post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by funkadelic
I agree that fake full-size headphones are unklikely (esp Sennheiser, Grado etc.), but fake earbuds are a definite problem and I would never buy 'name' earbuds on ebay from China or Hong Kong.

Simon



I don't know. I saw a pair of "HD-555" on Ebay the other day for around $90. They were supposedly refurbished. The fine print mentioned that they don't come with an original box/package. I thought that was a bit suspicious.
 
May 25, 2006 at 4:17 PM Post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by Albatross05
I don't know. I saw a pair of "HD-555" on Ebay the other day for around $90. They were supposedly refurbished. The fine print mentioned that they don't come with an original box/package. I thought that was a bit suspicious.


What that means is that someone returned them to a store, and they "refurbished" them by checking to see if they actually worked. It doesn't come with the package because the package was opened before it was returned. There are tens of thousands of similar electronics deals all over ebay. A lot of companies actually sell their own returns and seconds that way (Harman Kardon, Turtle Beach, etc.)

There were plenty of HD555 selling for ca. $85 shipped from a guy in Montreal a month or two ago, and if memory serves, he was guaranteeing factory warranties. Fakes don't come with factory warranties, and anyway there would be no profit margin in faking full-size headphones at this level.
 

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