So I just got these factory refurbished Sennheiser IE8 off this Amazon seller: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0012XFDWE/ref=dp_olp_refurbished?ie=UTF8&condition=refurbished I think they gave me IE7s and labeled them as IE8s. Check out the pictures. IE7 housing and cable but with IE8 branding on the cord. IE8 user manuals...wtf? Thankfully there are returns, but I wanted to post this here so nobody makes the same mistake I did.