Etymotic Er-4S Cable With Other Phones

May 21, 2007 at 4:38 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 16

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I just purchased a new set of Super.Fi 5's with EB. Don't laugh. Although they are not considered highly here, I love them. They are full, and the treble is almost there, and they are comfortable (to me). I want to keep them but was wondering if an Etymotic 4s cable would add impedance to the circuit and, therefore, change the frequency response so the highs are a bit crisper. Any thoughts on this, or is the 4s cable SOLELY for Etymotics? Thanks in advance all!
 
May 21, 2007 at 5:04 PM Post #4 of 16
One of these days I'm going to write out the full explanation and petition for it to be made a sticky.

The long & short: The impedance of the output device affects the performance of the amplifier.

The first and biggest impact is with sources that have capacitor-coupled output. I'm listening to ER-6i's right now. These things have an impedance of 16 ohms.

A lot of amps have a single-rail power supply, so the signal they output has a large DC component. DC melts voice coils, so you have to strip it out. The easiest way to do that is with a capacitor.

But a capacitor forms a high-pass filter with the impedance of whatever load you put across it.

I've seen designs with as little as 47uf of capacitance on the output. That would result in pretty much no bass at all with these already bass-shy etys of mine. 100uf is pretty common, and at 100uf into 16 ohms, the bass starts to roll off before 60hz.

For really flat response into low-impedance loads, you'd want 330 or 470uf on the output - common for a Millet Hybrid for example - but that's a damn big capacitor to put in a portable device, so you usually see 100uf or 220uf.

If your source is not capacitor-coupled on the output, this isn't an issue.

The 2nd way is Ohm's Law.

A lower impedance load draws more current. Plain and simple. Force of nature. Can'na change the laws of physics, cap'n!

It takes fewer volts to make a low-impedance voice coil shake back and forth, but this also means that it draws more current.

If the power supply in your source doesn't have enough reserve capacitance, this can mean that a large transient - like a bass drum - can just run out of steam and fall back to the ground state before the pulse is finished. You'll hear the impact of the drum, but it will sound empty.

These are both typical issues for portable devices. Wall-powered stuff usually has more than enough power supply capacitance and either a bipolar supply allowing for no DC on the output of the amp, or big enough capacitors to give you a flat response.
 
May 21, 2007 at 5:10 PM Post #5 of 16
To a lesser extent:

A high current load can slow down the amplifier's slew rate, causing it to sound less detailed.

Lower impedance loads are more sensitive to high frequency noise

Voice coils are somewhat reactive loads, meaning that they can push some currents back at the output of the amp. The headphone cable is also somewhat capacitative - a few dozen picofarads usually - and either of these can cause an amp w/o any capacitor or series resistor on the output to misbehave, resulting in some distortion or noise. A series resistor protects the amp from the return currents -- but it doesn't have to be much, just a few ohms.
 
May 21, 2007 at 5:56 PM Post #9 of 16
Well, the theory is "it could happen".

You could get that radioshack in-line volume control and see what happens before spending a flatly absurd amount of money on $1.50 worth of connectors, wire, and resistors.
 
May 21, 2007 at 6:03 PM Post #10 of 16
i saw that radio shack thingie and actually read where that is the same type of device as a p/s cable by etymotic. how is it that the in-line volume control has the same characteristics as the p/s cable? your info has been invaluable thanks eric!

Bill
 
May 21, 2007 at 6:10 PM Post #12 of 16
Ericj, how could I lower the Shure E500 hiss without degrading the sound quality?
Is the Shure inline volume attenuator made exactly for them?
I guess its variable impedance mates well with the E500 impedance.
 
May 21, 2007 at 7:05 PM Post #13 of 16
Well, having never opened up any of these products, but having seen the DIY version of the ety er-4s cable, I can't say for sure that these products work exactly alike.

An attenuator, and probably the radioshack volume control as well, probably has a resistor divider inside it - this means that there is resistance between the signal input and ground as well as from signal input to output.

And that's different from just adding series resistance.
 
May 21, 2007 at 7:43 PM Post #14 of 16
Ok. So it isn't a series resistence anymore, but a resistance towards ground. Are there consequences in sound quality, theorically?
From what I can get, it should only partition the power, without influencing the output of the player. Or should it be different for each mp3 player, to not degrade the SQ?
 
May 21, 2007 at 7:53 PM Post #15 of 16
It's just different. Both provide attenuation, but the resistor divider takes a portion of the signal and pushes it to ground, so the attenuation is greater.

The only way it degrades the sound is johnson noise - and not much of it. Google it.
 

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