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There is no misunderstanding.
To my ears, earbuds provide substantially more bass than IEMs and closed-back headphones that are even known to be 'bass-heavy'.
There is no reason to speculate - we all have different ear anatomy so our experiences will naturally differ.
(IEM's I've owned or auditioned: Sennheiser Momentum, KZ ATE/ZS10/ZS10 Pro, Shuoer Tape, Tin P1, RHA T20, Shure SE-846 and a few other lesser known IEMs)

I have directly compared my JVC HA-DX1000 with Sabia V6, and the earbud was bassier.
Of course, if I take the foam off the Sabia V6, the JVC will be bassier.

If you push your earbuds closer into your ear canals, or simple change the angle of the earbud driver (manually with your hands) you will also be able to hear HUGE amounts of bass too.
It's only fortunate for me that my ear anatomy naturally allows the bud to rest close to this 'very' bass-heavy position.
For outdoor use, I don't need to turn the volume up higher than usual (compared to the volume I would use with closed-back headphones) because I don't miss any of the bass performance.
Actually when you refer to "bass" do you refer to midbass or subbass? Perhaps we are all referring to different points of reference?

I'm a basshead, and I personally find most earbuds lacking in subbass extension and quantity (probably related to poorer isolation of buds, maybe also due to tuning of buds to be more midcentric/bright in general?). The subbass frequencies (which I consider as 60 Hz and below) are usually "felt" rather than "heard" as a visceral rumble. The midbass frequencies (which I consider as around 60 - 200 Hz) provides the slam AKA punch AKA thickness in the bass frequencies and are the basslines that one can hear in music when a double bass or bass is playing. Buds can provide quite good midbass quantity and "slam" for sure, though I would agree with most of the others that buds in general won't trump most basshead IEMs cause IEMs have a better isolating seal in general (bass frequencies are usually the first to be lost in poorer isolation). Same issue with open back headphones, they generally lack in subbass extension to me.

I've not heard much subbass subjectively on my buds in music and objectively with tone generators, they seem to roll off around 60ish Hz, and I'm on the lookout for a earbud with good subbass extension/quantity, anyone can give some recommendations??

Though of course we all hear differently, and have different bass tolerances, different ear anatomies, different music genres (thus requiring different amounts of sub and midbass), different sources, different listening volumes (Fletcher Munson curve affects different frequency loudness with different volumes), so as usual, YMMV.
 
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I'm on the lookout for a earbud with good subbass extension/quantity, anyone can give some recommendations??
Smabat ST-10 :)
(currently listening to them at work with my new ES100 MK2)
 
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Clearly, I don't think any earbud can match the sub quantity of a ZS7 tbh, a few earbuds have good extension tho (EBX, RW-1000 for example) and with a bit of eq you can push it.

However I have yet to hear an IEM that has the "physical" mid-bass slam of a TO200, TO600 or some plastic buds, it seems the fact that it's inside the ear canal doesn't allow for the same sound quality to me, it's invariably softer in attack, with no feeling of air being actually, physically moved to me.

The sound of jazz kickdrums invariably makes my day on the TO200, but ymmv.
 
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Smabat ST-10 :)
(currently listening to them at work with my new ES100 MK2)
Yes, I agree. ST-10 have great bass (with good fit), Smabat M1 Pro also does well with the Maze labyrinth design.
 
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I just received the Smabot M1 and are really enjoying it. One of the flattest fr curves I’ve heard with excellent extension on both ends and lots of detail. Cleanses the palate after all these v-shape iems. It’s a breath of fresh air.
 
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Just got around to listening to the K's LBB that came in at the end of last week, they were burning in over the weekend.

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They are an unexpectedly dark sounding earbud. Smooth mids and rolled off highs.

Bass rolls off starting around 60hz and becomes barely audible around 35-38hz when testing a frequency sweep at normal (50%) listening volume. Mid-bass is where the bass is most present with an ok amount of bass.

Mids are smooth. Male vocals are more forward than female. Unusual as I was expecting a more balanced sound or even a typical upper mid/lower treble emphasis.

Upper mids and treble seems to taper off smoothly.

It has a completely sibilance free and very smooth dark sound. Probably excellent for night time listening before sleep (or even during :relieved: ).


The buds themselves may be the lightest metal shells I've held. They fit well and disappear once in ear.

My one nitpick is how the cable is held internally, means that you can get some extra noise. The cable has a metal clip pinched to it, to help against snagging and pulling the cable off the driver. Because of that the clip can make some noise against the shell if the cable is jostled.

Also, the black version has a copper cable. It appears the white version is SPC.

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Clearly, I don't think any earbud can match the sub quantity of a ZS7 tbh, a few earbuds have good extension tho (EBX, RW-1000 for example) and with a bit of eq you can push it.

However I have yet to hear an IEM that has the "physical" mid-bass slam of a TO200, TO600 or some plastic buds, it seems the fact that it's inside the ear canal doesn't allow for the same sound quality to me, it's invariably softer in attack, with no feeling of air being actually, physically moved to me.

The sound of jazz kickdrums invariably makes my day on the TO200, but ymmv.
SOLD! The 200 is next on my list now. My only concern is fit. All of my buds have a 14.2mm diaphragm, and they fit about perfect with full foams. The 200 has a 15.4mm diaphragm. Only one way to find out I suppose.
 
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Can anyone compare the Willsound mk2 to the Yinyoo Bk2? I've read everything I can find about the mk2, just wondering where this bud kinda fits in - Lower tier / mid tier, and a general idea as to how they sound.
 
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Clearly, I don't think any earbud can match the sub quantity of a ZS7 tbh, a few earbuds have good extension tho (EBX, RW-1000 for example) and with a bit of eq you can push it.

However I have yet to hear an IEM that has the "physical" mid-bass slam of a TO200, TO600 or some plastic buds, it seems the fact that it's inside the ear canal doesn't allow for the same sound quality to me, it's invariably softer in attack, with no feeling of air being actually, physically moved to me.

The sound of jazz kickdrums invariably makes my day on the TO200, but ymmv.
The Rose Mojito has some serious mid bass slam too with that dual driver setup. Of course its overall sound signature leaves much to be desired.
 
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Can anyone compare the Willsound mk2 to the Yinyoo Bk2? I've read everything I can find about the mk2, just wondering where this bud kinda fits in - Lower tier / mid tier, and a general idea as to how they sound.
It's an earbud that's rough around the edges but has lots of raw power!

Great dynamic sound but the midrange is a bit pedestrian at times. Low treble is nicely in balance though so you won't get any artificial brightness nor is it dark. Vocals are average though on occasion as there is a dip then peak in the 300-2000hz zone so you get some details pushed but the tonality can be a bit off at times IMO. Of course its not severe at all and perfectly listenable on 99% of music just not refined as much as the best midranges ive heard in earbuds.

Definitely atleast mid tier maybe mid + from what I've heard. Off the top of my head I'd say It's in my top 10 but maybe not my top 3. But its also NOT that expensive so its brilliant for the price.
 
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