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Dynamic range compression of classical music.

Discussion in 'Sound Science' started by xenophon, Nov 24, 2014.
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  1. danadam
    Nov 6, 2018 at 10:45 PM
    Nov 8, 2018 at 11:17 AM
    And still no examples :frowning2:
     
  2. Indiana
    I tell you what. I decided let this topic aside. Enjoy your records.
     
  3. SoundAndMotion
    What about this?
    ...works for me.
    @Indiana, you are new here (welcome!, by the way) and I don't know if you also post on other audio forums, but on many forums if you write "I like sunny days and puppies", some people will argue with you ("what about the drought!, and they chew on the furniture!!"). If you continue posting here and elsewhere, you'll realize that you just ignore some people and interact with others. Enjoy your music!

    OT: do you live in the Russian-speaking or Ukrainian-speaking part? Is the situation still tense? PM, if you don't want to post OT here.
     
  4. gregorio
    1. Me too! I've no idea if I'm smarter than you or most other people here, probably a bit smarter than some and not as smart as others. I do have one advantage though, I've worked my whole life in audio, first as an orchestral musician, then as an engineer and, I've been lucky enough to work in some world class studios with world class engineers and musicians. That doesn't make me smart but being curious, like you, I have picked-up a fair amount over the decades and what I've picked-up has been from some of the best.

    I hope I didn't come across to you personally as harsh or aggressive, that wasn't my intent, I'm just asking questions to try and get to the bottom of your observation/impression. Again, you happened to walk in on an argument where I was being rather harsh with someone who kept making factual assertions which he already knew to be false.

    2. I'm still having trouble understanding. When you say the "sound just collapses", do you mean that you turn it down until the quiet bits are no longer loud enough for you to comfortably hear and the loud sections are still quite loud? Or do you mean you can still hear everything when you turn it down but it just becomes thin and dynamically flat? There's a fair chance we won't get to the bottom of this with only words and as others have asked, an example might be the only way.

    G
     
  5. bigshot
    Edit: I see this one has been answered.

    Could you please list a few titles that you've returned? I'm curious to hear what you mean by loud. I suspect it isn't compression. It suspect it might be too much dynamic range. I've never run across a modern classical recording that was compressed, but I have found some that sound way too loud in peaks because of excessive dynamics. I'd like to understand what you are talking about. It would help to hear some examples.

    By the way, I have heard DGG recordings that suffer from excessive dynamics. Karajan's digital Tristan und Isolde had quiet parts that were so soft, you had to crank the volume to hear them. Then a loud Wagnerian swell would come along and the speakers would be blasting way too loud. That can make a recording unlistenable. That was a problem in early digital recordings and on labels where they take the "more is better" approach to dynamics. BIS is like that sometimes.

    You mean that if you turn the volume down low enough that the peaks aren't too loud, the quieter parts disappear? I'm not sure what you mean by "collapse".

    Thanks!

    DGG has been putting out recordings for over a century. It is a massive label with thousands and thousands of records made in lots of different venues by different engineers. There are good and bad recordings in every label. I have thousands of DGG records myself, and I haven't noticed any overall compression to them. In fact, DGG tends to have very good sonics, with the exception of the later Karajan recordings where he was experimenting with different recording techniques, some of which didn't work very well. He might be referring to those.
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2018
  6. 71 dB
    Looks like you mean the sound is dry, direct sound dominates too much compared to reverberation am I wrong?
     
  7. RRod
    3 DGG recordings I've listened to recently with great dynamics are the disc of 3 Unsuk Chin concertos, one of Boulez conducting 3 Mahler song cycles, and the one with Kancheli's 'Styx' on it. Those are all post-2000 releases and the Chin is 2014.
     
  8. Steve999
    I think it was some time just before I got on campus there in 1980. I went to at least several concerts at Severance Hall, however you spell it. There were stories going around about the recording. It was a live cannon shot. I think I remember I heard they wired in the live cannon sound over a speaker. People were like, oh, they cheated. I don’t know from what point the recording of the cannon was made. I use Canon cameras a lot so I get mixed up on how to spell cannon. With 20/20 hindsight Telarc was making LPs at that time that worked much better a year or two later on CD.
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2018
  9. bigshot
    Indiana has disappeared. How surprising. Maybe there's someone else here who can speak for him.
     
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