DVP NC555ES or DV-CP802

Sep 18, 2005 at 12:18 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 17

Sovkiller

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I'm trying to narrow my selection to these two multidisks players, and honestly I'm stock here, not sure which would be better to get, both runs for the same price more or less, and the Onkyo plays also DVD-A which I own none to the date, but who knows in the future, OTOH the Sony could be modded (Sony authorized mods) and carry 5 years warranty, and IME there is no product that will fail in just the first year, so those 1 year warranties are just ridiculous...I want to here some info and some experiences as well from both,

[size=small]Please absolutely no links pointing to reviews or the like, I have read a few about them and to the date they have been useless, and please no other recos over this budget, no more than 400.00, and yes it have to be multidisk, and closer as posible to a universal player, [/size]
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 3:47 PM Post #2 of 17
Com'n guys any thought about them???
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 4:21 PM Post #3 of 17
Well, it's kind of hard to point to a specific carousel universal DVD player without knowing what kind of sound you're after, but I would say that the Onkyo is a very fine value at around $330 USD. I recommended it to you before several months ago and it looks like you are ready to take me up of my offer again. It sure is a versatile player and I have read no reports of malfunctions whatsoever. You may not need to worry about the warranty either as I expect both SONY Blu-Ray and HD-DVD to begin their wars in a little over a year from now. I know that you are not interested in either formats to begin with, but rest assured that the Onkyo is a good player and it will provide you with a few years of enjoyment without the worry of upgrading so soon. Besides the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD wars will take at least 2 - 4 years before consumers decide IF and WHEN they want to upgrade their DVD-Video titles to high definition video & audio. The only catch that I know of is that it does not have a DVD-Video upscaler, DVI-D, HDMI, or IEEE1394 digital outputs nor does it have an advanced oversampling and high bit video DAC. However, if you plan to keep your existing analog TV to hook up to this player for the next few years before the FCC mandates that both you and I and everybody else upgrade to HDTV, then it will be fine too.
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 4:25 PM Post #4 of 17
Thanks man, well what cna I say, a warm detailed nice sound, video is not an issue as my TV for now is analog, nothing fancy neither, and no plans to upgrade it, unless it brokes....but I'm after sound quality basically...Sorry but it takes me some time ot decide specially becasue everytime I got outside to get it I've found other players for half this price, a lot cheaper, but you get what you pay for.....BTW any disadvantages of the Sony, any bad review or bad experience???....It is a really upgradeable machine from SACD mods, while I did not see the Onkyo listed there....
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 5:24 PM Post #5 of 17
If you want to modify it, which I highly recommend, then I would be more concerned whether the Onkyo is eligible for custom mods by a particular mod house or shop. I would start looking around and asking some questions. You should not pay more than the $500 MSRP to have it modded. If you are after a warm and lucious sound, then mods are the way to go especially with Dan Wright of ModWright LLC. Start shopping around. The Onkyo is a good candidate for mods because it is relatively simple and painless and the turnaround should be very short. The cost should not be prohibative either.
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 5:34 PM Post #6 of 17
The mods will not be performed anytime soon, if I jump on that player, is just after sacrificing other priorities now as a result, so any other later mod have to wait...I would like to know about the performance of the Onkyo, reliability is another issue, and sound-wise, how it sounds, any place where I can really read any informative review, all what I have found is the usual yada yada and at the end nothing serious....
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 6:34 PM Post #7 of 17
On http://www.ecoustics.com, there is this page of information: http://search.ecoustics.com/a.php?search=Onkyo+802 . Sovkiller, it is difficult to gauge how well this unit sounds other than auditioning it yourself. Unfortunately, not that many people have had much experience with this specific manufacturer's model as the demand for carousel universal DVD players is a niche unto itself. I have heard it once at a local Hi-Fi dealer's shop, but only briefly. It is feature packed for today's technologies and it provided a reasonably good sonic picture. The bass was solid, midrange was a bit forward and evocative, and the treble was refined without a hint of sibiliance. I know that the SONY CD-3000 will alter the sonic presentation a bit, but I don't think that the mating of this Onkyo DV-CP802 and your particular system should be abhorrent. Again, I have heard nothing of reliability or durability issues. It is quite an investment in a carousel universal DVD player at $500 USD MSRP, but I think it represents a fairly solid value at $320 USD market price. I would consider purchasing one as a replacement for my aging Panasonic RP-82 DVD player which is exhibiting some transport problems as of late.

I think you should go for it. DVD-Audio is an ear and eye opener. Though the titles are small and the catalog shallow, it still represents the very finest in pre-recorded digital audio to date. The sound quality alone merits its demand in a replacement source component in my humble opinion. SACD is a real sonic treat because the catalog is fairly well developed and the analogies to the master analog tape are indeed correct. Pick a Sonoma DSD recorded SACD title and put it in a SACD player and you will swear it sounds like analog tape or vinyl. I do. SACD is more of a must have for me than DVD-Audio simply because the catalog is better developed.

Red Book CD on this Onkyo player is ok, but don't expect superlative performance of a dedicated CD player only. It will get the job done pretty well, but you may be slightly disappointed at the slightly digital and grainy sound. That is where modifications will help enormously and you should begin sending some e-mail messages to specific mod houses or shops before you plunk down your hard earned money into this unit. Ensure that they will do it for you at an affordable price including shipping, handling, and insurance fees.

As for DVD-Video, this is where the player takes it on the chin. It is capable of 450 lines of interlaced resolution instead of the industry standard 480 lines of interlaced resolution per the DVD-Video standard. So, the picture will appear a bit less sharp and the colors will seem to bleed into one another a little more, but it should be fine for a standard NTSC 480i analog TV. There are a lot of technical problems with the de-interlacing chip on rigorous video test pattern discs, but you should be ok with the picture quality at your home or apartment.

So! Audio quality is superb especially with high resolution media. CD playback is pretty good, but not as resolved as a dedicated CD player only. DVD-Video quality is passe, but it will get the job done. Build quality and craftsmanship is solid. Reliability and durability are solid too. The only technical glitch is that it tends to repeat the same songs on multiple discs when you put it in random play mode. Otherwise, it changes discs in less than 10 seconds and it is very quiet in operation. It has a built in feature to turn off the video circuitry for pure audio mode which is nice too. At $330 USD, it is a bit expensive still, but you pay more for increased audio quality and a six - 6 - disc carousel universal dvd player. I think it is worth it.
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 7:07 PM Post #8 of 17
Thanks a lot man I really appreciated that, of course I'm not trying ot determine how it will sound here, that is still a part of the equation that needs to be solved, but that applies to any other player as well, just that I wanted to know what you just told me, it sound this or that way, no traces of sibilance, bass is good, etc, etc, etc....The Sony is a nice player but it was discontinued some time ago, so if failure replacements are null, and over this, it does not play DVD-A, I have a couple of SACD and I really like them but unfortunatelly the catalog is not that extensive neither, so we are in that dpt in at a really miserable loss...Honestly the slightly digital and grainy sound, had never bother me at all, I consider the CDs a farily good media, and that could be enjoyable with no problems, I'm a music lover, with a pretty decent ear, but not an audio obsessed....IMO with the cash, there is no problems the only problem is that I od not have the cash to invest a fortune on audio neither, so I'm tied to a budget components....what a bad luck...I will pull the trigger tonight, if no other answer is received ot consdier that makes me change my mind dramatically....
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 7:12 PM Post #9 of 17
Sovkiller,

What's your real name man? I think I am guiding you to the right decision and that's the Onkyo DV-CP802. I honestly think you will be very happy with it. MAKE SURE you can get a 14 - 30 day return policy with NO RESTOCKING FEES and KEEP THE RECEIPT! Otherwise, I doubt that you will return it because as I told you months ago, this is the one for you. This is a tremendous value in a universal DVD player regardless of whether it is a single disc or six disc carousel player. The sound quality is quite good and the entire chassis is solid at 21 pounds.

If you do decide to buy it, then please let all of us know your impressions. I want to make sure you are happy with this player as I have a reputation to protect in steering other Head-Fi members to quality gear at affordable prices.
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 7:18 PM Post #10 of 17
My name is Alberto (some people call me Al, which is short and compact) my info is on the Rudistor website along with my address and contact emails (on the US section).....My Sony is giving me problems so I need to get rid of it, ASAP!!!! OTOH the only place that carries it around here is J&R which is a reputable dealer, and I have purchased from them in the past, so I trust them...

another question how is the overall look, the front is made ofaluminum or plastic, they have two versions one black and another silver, the one is silver is mostly out of stock...
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 7:38 PM Post #11 of 17
I believe the fascia is made out of plastic and the silver edition is very hard to get. J&R is very reputable and their price is very low compared to the full list MSRP of other dealers. If silver works for you, then you will have to search far and wide to get one. I'd stick with black because of availability. Before you buy, keep hunting for the lowest prices:

http://ecoustics.pricegrabber.com/se...sterid=8171039
http://www.shopzilla.com/12--Onkyo_D..._id--273765727
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...Search+Froogle
http://www.shopping.com/xFS?KW=Onkyo+DV-CP802&FD=0

PCMall.Com has a black refurbished Onkyo DV-CP802 for $321.99 USD: http://froogle.google.com/froogle_cl...ogle&scoring=p

By the way, Onkyo provides a full 2 year parts and 2 year labor warranty.
 
Sep 18, 2005 at 8:28 PM Post #12 of 17
No more chit chat, the order was placed, for the Onkyo, I will keep you updated on how it will perform...
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Sep 19, 2005 at 10:13 PM Post #13 of 17
I recevied today all the answers from the people who usually mod those players, at least the ones more known here, most of them do not know the Onkyo at all, and they refuse to comment on it at all, and OTOH all of them agree that the specs are very similar for both palyers (???) But now they do recomend from the audiphile point of view the Sony, even when it does not play DVD-A...of course is the one they mod...LOL...(joke here)
It seems to me that once again, I will be the guinea pig for an electronic device, hope not for bad....I'm really anxious...OTOH, I can get the Sony for real cheap, and I do not want this chance go by, over this I have a Sony card with a lot of points on it, so I will drop the price even more, if I pull the triger after for the silver beauty.....

Hope that it will be no necesarily, but just for the records to be good from the audiophile point of view in the electronic design, means nothing to me, as all the players I have had before from Sony had failed mechanically, not electronically....
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Sep 21, 2005 at 12:17 AM Post #14 of 17
Well received the Onkyo today, so far so good...

It is a very well constructed machine, the front is made of black anodized aluminum, heavy as hell, and very, very smooth operation, of course coming from the Sony that is a little on the noisy side while changing disks...

It is too early even for first impressions, let's call it out of the box impressions, as I just finished hooking it a couple of hours ago, but the sound is very good, extremely detailed in the high freq spectrum, which I love, a little forward mids as Welly stated, but nothing disgusting, and very deep bass, kicking bass.....SACDs are just an eargasm in that player...

I read some reviews (well indeed the same in all websites, like an stamp)....stating some limitations with the video playback and blacker than than black BS, 450 lines interlaced video instead of 480 etc, etc, etc...well if you have any analog TV like my Samsung, with CRT and 25 to 32 inches, forget about those problems, the black background couldn't be more black, and the video quality is excellent, if you are going to use it with a huge HDTV well that will be different, not sure how the performance will be, but for my personal setup in my small apt, is a really good choice, thanks welly for the reco, and the support of the guinea pig club...the 6 CDs feature is a bonus...wow one hour more of music!!!!!
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Sep 21, 2005 at 5:13 PM Post #15 of 17
Wow Al, you got that player real fast! OK. Back to the chit-chat.

I would like to know your continuing impressions over the next 24 - 100 hours as I am definitely interested in what you have to write about it. If you have any questions about setup, then please feel free to address it to me: bass management crossover points, special features, video setup, etc. They're all pretty much the same concepts for setting up a universal DVD player correctly minus a couple of exotic features that are found only with certain brands, but they are pretty much the same in terms of configuration options. You will want to know whether you can turn off bass management and find out the specific frequency for the crossover point so that the SACD DSD signal is not converted into PCM. You will also want to set the machine to default to SACD 2 channel layer and DVD-AUDIO two channel layer for your headphone setup. Lastly, you want to turn off all that special filtering crap such as upsampling, oversampling, dynamic range compression, and any proprietary technologies made by Onkyo that effects the purity of the sound signal.

As for video, you just need to set it up for 480 interlaced with 4:3 aspect ratio or 16:9 anamorphic if your analog TV supports it. If you are inclined to spend a bit more money, then a DVE Essentials disc is very much recommended as it will simply calibrate your TV and DVD player in unison so that the colors and hue and saturation will look accurate and very balanced. The picture quality will improve after calibration and the disc can be had for $50 USD. The last thing you may want to consider is buying an inexpensive pair of Radio Shack Gold Fusion Component Video cables to hook up the component video outputs to the back of your analog TV for maximum picture quality. If you already have component video cables, then no need to spend more money on better quality cables unless you are like me and you demand top performance with no concern about cost. I'm a rarity though.

That's about it. Enjoy it and keep in touch so that I can help you to setup the machine correctly for audiophile headphone listening and optimal video setting. Of course, you'll need to explain some special features of the Onkyo configuration manual to me or I'll download the user's manual from their website, but we need to keep in touch so that you get the settings right the first time. Remember, set it right the first time and forget about it forever!
 

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