[Zaphod1]

Hi,

at the moment i got the senn hd600 and i find them completely uncomfortable. too much pressure on the ears, too small for my ears, and the cable leaded on both sides.
so i read about the DT880 and as i tried an older Beyerdynamic at my cousin and i found it very comfortable the DT880 sounds very interesting to me.

i`d connect this piece to a standard Sony Hifi and to my computer using a good soundcard (Terratec DMX 6fire).
i listen to jazz, ska, punk, hiphop and alternative stuff and play computer games...

do you thinh the 880 is a reasobable choice for me ?
or should i rather go for the senns 590 ?
or is there a better choice in general if you don`t want to buy extra cables, amps,.. (i like it simple)

thanks for
taking your time !

 

[JaZZ]

It the comfort is your main concern: it's very simple to reduce the pressure. Just bend the headband outwards until you get the pressure you want. Note that it will bend back to some degree after a short while.

As to the sound: the DT 880 is a very worthwhile alternative.

 

[Zaphod1]

is there a nice and not too expensive amp that really makes a noticeable difference ?
and is the beyer less dependent on amps than the hd600 ?

in terms of comfort: i know that most peolpe like the hd600 but for any reason its WAY he worst i ever tried. its no only the pressure, they simply don`t fit my ears, they feel very heavy, and i get headaches when i wear them, no joke...maybe its the metal band...whatever it is, the hd600s destroy me

 

[JaZZ]

The DT 880 is possibly less dependent on the source and amp signatures than the HD 600: you haven't to struggle to gain optimal transparency. It's rather the opposite: you may want to compensate for the slight treble accentuation with a smooth sounding amp. So tube amps come in mind. The MG Head is one of the least expensive ones, and there's also a lower priced hybrid amp on the ASL website which otherwise no one has reviewed so far. Since you live in Austria, you have to consider some additional transport costs. The most recommendable European product, the Earmax Pro (which is a fine match with the DT 880), is most likely out of your price range since you originally wanted to renounce an amp. You may also look for a Creek - but I can't comment how it suits the DT 880.

And by the way: Welcome to Head-Fi!

 

[Zaphod1]

well i was just checking out the ampliefiers and i think that i don`t wanna spend so much money...

so maybe i sould check out a completely different headphone that was designed for use without additional amps ?

are there any that work really fine without amps ?

 

[Mike Scarpitti]

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Originally posted by JaZZ And by the way: Welcome to Head-Fi!

Sorry about your purse.

 

[kuma]

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Originally posted by JaZZ The DT 880 is possibly less dependent on the source and amp signatures than the HD 600: you haven't to struggle to gain optimal transparency. It's rather the opposite: you may want to compensate for the slight treble accentuation with a smooth sounding amp. So tube amps come in mind.

Is DT880 that vailed?
By any chacne, would you know where I can obtain an impedance plot of DT880?

 

[JaZZ]

kuma...
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Is DT880 that vailed? By any chacne, would you know where I can obtain an impedance plot of DT880?

What do you mean by «vailed»? Veiled? No, it's rather the opposite of veiled: very clear and transparent. That's why I'd recommend a rather smooth sounding source/amp. Others may disagree with me about the accentuated treble though.

I haven't seen any impedance curves so far, neither at Headroom's nor Beyer's websites.

 

[kuma]

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Originally posted by JaZZ kuma... What do you mean by «vailed»? Veiled? No, it's rather the opposite of veiled: very clear and transparent. That's why I'd recommend a rather smooth sounding source/amp. Others may disagree with me about the accentuated treble though. I haven't seen any impedance curves so far, neither at Headroom's nor Beyer's websites.

Jazz,

Sorry, yeah. I meant *veiled* since you mentioned they are less dependent on sources and amp signature. Clear and transparent transducers should discern diffrences in front end electronics/cabling. No?

But I see now that what you mean by 'clean and transparent' means actually they have notable bump or roll off in trebles.

What's the amp's power output? I wonder possible if the amp is clipping since Beyer might be a bit of a mulekicker?

 

[wallijonn]

Zaphod1,

if you consider the HD600 pads too small for your ears - then forget about any Beyers. The Beyer pads are even smaller than the HD600.

You might like the CD3000 or K501, instead.

The DT880 like a lot of clean power, even more so than the HD600. The more powerful and cleaner the amp, the better it sounds. The HD600 amp matching is synergistic. The DT880 is not that fussy.

look for gerG's and Jazz's (?) response curves. gerG's in his review.

 

[kuma]

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Originally posted by wallijonn The DT880 is not that fussy.

I dunno why I keep seeing this comments on DT880. What does this mean?

Guess I have to find out myself.

 

[Zaphod1]

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Originally posted by wallijonn Zaphod1, if you consider the HD600 pads too small for your ears - then forget about anyBeyers. The Beyer pads are even smaller than the HD600. You might like the CD3000 or K501, instead. The DT880 like a lot of clean power, even more so than the HD600. The more powerful and cleaner the amp, the better it sounds. The HD600 amp matching is synergistic. The DT880 is not that fussy. look for gerG's and Jazz's (?) response curves. gerG's in his review.

well, the beyers i heard at my cousin fit very well..maybe the hd600 are "bigger" but they are oval compared to the round beyers...and yeah they are sooo soft and cosy

so, anyway, it seems that the 880s are even worse without an amp than the hd600, which amo is recommendable ? is a creek OBH-21 (succsessor of the OBH-11 ) a good match for the 880s ?

I found out that the maximum output level of my soundcard (Terratec DMX 6fire) is 60 mW. i have no idea how many ohms that are...is that enough for the 250 Ohms of the DT880 ?

 

[wallijonn]

Kuma,

synergy is when you find complementary components which makes the whole sound better than the parts.

Matt likes the HD600 driven from his Melos Maestro. Someone else loves it from the RKV. Still someone else likes, 'whatever'. I am just saying that, it, the DT880, will likely sound good with a wider range of amps (of the same quality) than with the HD600. It may not sound great with every "good" amp out there, but it will at least sound "good" with a "good" amp. Most likely it is just because not everyone has had time to audition the DT880 with every amp out there and found the "best" one, or "ones" out there.

Zaphod1,

you may havve to try it. But the fact that I keep stressing high current, high voltage "clean" amps, you might find that the DT880 is not driven to clean levels (without distortion) from any soundcard. It may be okay for informal listening (like MP3s and games) but it may prove unviable with/for serious listening. Will it drive it? probably. will it sound great? probably not.

 

[kuma]

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Originally posted by wallijonn Kuma, synergy is when you find complementary components which makes the whole sound better than the parts. Matt likes the HD600 driven from his Melos Maestro. Someone else loves it from the RKV. Still someone else likes, 'whatever'. I am just saying that, it, the DT880, will likely sound good with a wider range of amps (of the same quality) than with the HD600. It may not sound great with every "good" amp out there, but it will at least sound "good" with a "good" amp. Most likely it is just because not everyone has had time to audition the DT880 with every amp out there and found the "best" one, or "ones" out there.

Sure, no doubt that good systems are built within the framework of a listener as well as electronic compatibility between components.

I see what you mean now. Usually when someone sez particular fones/speakers sound good with anything, I interpret as they are so colored and can't pass on the signal fed to 'em. Colored transducers are perfectly all right in my book if they have enough dynamics, transient response and transparent enough for me to hear subtle musical inflections. But, the ones i tend to like have never been easy-go-lucky all rounders. Harmonicaly rich RS-1 can still let me know enough changes upstream without cutting apart the music.

BTW, 'the best' anything is really depends on, once again, listener's sonic priorities.

i had too many incidents, while I was ready to leave the room, a friend sitting next to me was in a total bliss listening to the same system.

Very very subjective, indeed. One man's dream anything is another man's nightmare.

Sorry, this is bit off-track.

 

[Geek]

DT880s are a viable alternative to the HD600. However, based upon their design I believe that you will find them more uncomfortable than HD600s.

You must give the HD600s some time to soften up. Also, bend the headband in a way that fits your head.

Finally, you can keep your HD600s resting with a few thick books roughly approximating the width of a human head in between them; this should alleviate some of the problems.

I felt the same way about HD600s when I got them; they became more comfortable a few days later.

Cheers,
Geek