Drummer: I need more isolation than the Senn HD280 pros

[Jake71188]

The Senns are what im currently using for drumming, unfortunately they dont block QUITE enough for me (i want a bit more, but the Shure E5s will isolate TOO much) resulting in me turning up my music too loud.
which inturn, now gave me very mild tinnitus.

I am looking for another new pair that will block out a bit more sound.

anyone got any idea s? orall all the closed can phones the same

 

[Jasper994]

You might try adding a etymotic earplug to the 280's I think they offer one that cuts 9dba.

 

[Bolt San]

Sennheiser 25-1, I think.

EDIT: That etymotic earplug idea is a good one, since it attenuates sound almost perfectly flat, at least compared to other earplugs, so it'll sound almost the same.

 

[augustwest]

Try the Beyer dt770's (80 ohm version) sold at guitar center. They have some of the best isolation available, as they are designed for musicians, and recording purposes.

- augustwest

 

[Orpheus]

well, out of all the phones i have (including the 600ohm 770pro) the hd280's isolate the most. that's the one i give to musicians that are being recorded. if you want even more, there's only one phone i know of... but unfortunately i forgot the name. it's not a famous brand though. but it's for super isolation. costs about $150 i think. sorry..... can't recall the name....

 

[Chinchy]

I echo the people above. Try the Etymotic ER-20's, which are only 10-12 bucks. They'll attenuate about 20 db, and it's fairly flat. Then couple that with your Senns. You may find that this is a bit too much attenuation for you, and if so you'll probably have to go with the professional musicians earplugs (i.e. Er-9 or ER-15).

And I'm assuming you're talking about an acoustic set, because you wouldn't have this problem with edrums.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orpheus but unfortunately i forgot the name. it's not a famous brand though. but it's for super isolation. costs about $150 i think. sorry..... can't recall the name....

I dunno if this is the one you're talking about, but they make some headphones for drummers that really isolate. I've never tried these, but check out:
Direct Sound Extreme Isolation Headphones
http://www.extremeheadphones.com/

You can get them for cheaper than the listed MSRP at http://www.drumbalaya.com .

 

[Orpheus]

but that doesn't make sense.

--he's not concerned about the overall level being too loud (if i interpret this right)... he wants his music louder relative to his drumset. using these ety-20's will lower the volume of both music and drums, and that defeats the whole purpose of this exercise. what he needs is a headphone that isolates better than the hd280's but less than the E5's.

am i right jake?

 

[Chinchy]

Ah yeah, you're right. Sorry, misread it. Then he should check out the headphones I listed after I edited my original post.

 

[Orpheus]

Quote:

Direct Sound Extreme Isolation Headphones

yup, those are them!!!--anyone ever heard a set? i wonder if they sound good at all.

 

[Orpheus]

you know jake, the best way to do this is to make your own mix. you'll have to get some mics for your drums (they sell complete mic kits for drums.) then create a mix with those mics and your music, and pipe it into those E5's. that's the best solution. and it even allows you to make an aggregate recording then, which is always good.

 

[Chinchy]

Or get a set of Edrums. The new Roland TD-20 is supposed to be "all that and a bag of chips, a little more, and then some."

Granted they will never sound exactly the same as a good set of acoustics, but they can get close..

Edit: Oh yeah, the downside is that they're about $5500.

 

[Orpheus]

(Vdrums i think you mean cinchy)

well, the higher-end ones cost around there... and the top-end ones cost more ($7000?). but i think the entry-level edrums cost around $3000. and i know i've seen them used for around $1500 or less.

but you don't need the roland vdrums.... there are cheaper solutions from yamaha. doesn't work as well, but it'll work as a practice proxy.

 

[JeffL]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orpheus you know jake, the best way to do this is to make your own mix. you'll have to get some mics for your drums (they sell complete mic kits for drums.) then create a mix with those mics and your music, and pipe it into those E5's. that's the best solution. and it even allows you to make an aggregate recording then, which is always good.

Judging from the fact that Jake is asking for headphones with increased isolation factor, I would say that this is what he is trying to do already.

It could be that he needs to monitor vocals, and other instruments to make sure he keeps his rhythm.

I would recommend a canal phone for maximum isolation and sound quality at safe volumes.


BTW, those "Extreme isolation" headphones are UUUUGLY

 

[Chinchy]

Yeah, I'm specifically talking about the Roland TD-20S-BK V Pro set, as well as the new Roland TD-20 drum module. It just came out this year, and is one of the most advanced new modules. But yes you can go for a lot cheaper. I myself use a set of Hart Dynamics drum set that is pretty decent, and it probably set me back around $1600 for the set and another $600 for the drum brain (lowly TD-6).

Entry level drumsets are actually quite reasonable, and you can get some for $700 to $1000. I.e. Hart Dynamics Prodigy set, Yamaha DTExpress, Roland TD-3 V-Compact to name a few. But then again, to make the kit sound like even a mediocre acoustic ket costs bucks.

And yeah, you don't need the Roland Vdrums (I opted not to go that route), but they actually integrate a lot of their stuff pretty well. For example, while you could add various existing edrum sets to the new TD-20, you wouldn't be able to take full advantage of the TD-20's capabilities... It would still be close though...

 

[Xoton]

I was tempted to get the 280s for just this purpose...glad I didn't now!

I went with the Ety's based on the hi-fi/isolation...and until my wife goes
shopping or something I won't have the opportunity to really test them out.

But me thinks they'll be right on target.

--I did do some brushwork on my drums with the foam tips on and though I couldn't here my touch I could still feel the hits. Fine by me!!