Does FM result in degradation of music?
Aug 15, 2010 at 8:45 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 28

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Anyone has any insights on this topic? For example, my phone model has a function for playing music through FM, does this have any negative impact on the sound, as compared to connecting the phone to a speaker through wires? 
 
Aug 15, 2010 at 10:37 AM Post #2 of 28


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Anyone has any insights on this topic? For example, my phone model has a function for playing music through FM, does this have any negative impact on the sound, as compared to connecting the phone to a speaker through wires? 



FM as far as I know tops out at 15khz not that you would notice, low power FM transmiitter devices tend to be a bit noisy as well and have limited usable range, you might as well try it and see. We had an FM transmitter for the car used with a Creative but it never really worked very well, YMMV of course.
 
Aug 15, 2010 at 1:47 PM Post #3 of 28
Yeah.  I so wanted those FM transmitters for my iPod to work in my car.  I could never get past the impact on sound quality and this is why I eventually abandoned the technology. This was prior to my joining head-fi too and getting any meaningful headphones or gear to go with them.
 
Aug 15, 2010 at 3:39 PM Post #4 of 28
For sure!
Just the fact that it is limited to the range of 30 Hz to 15 kHz explains that.
 
Aug 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM Post #5 of 28
Yes, Nick Charles is right. FM only carries a signal from 50Hz to 15kHz, while a CD gives you 20Hz to 20kHz. So you do lose a bit of the top and low end with a FM signal.

However, you can still get excellent sound from FM. Most important is the content being broadcast - a bad recording will still be a bad recording. Then you have to look at the signal quality. If you're getting poor reception or reflected signals, it doesn't help. A good antenna is also critical. External antennas mounted with line-of-sight visibility to the transmitter are best, especially if there are no mountains, hills, buildings, etc. that scatter and reflect signals, and the tuner is important. A lot of tuners are cheaply made these days - specialist and vintage ones are often better.

All that considered, if you have a decent tuner, antenna and a clean signal, FM sounds fantastic. I wouldn't have gotten into jazz but for the exceptional signal I get on my old Scott receiver. It sounded so good that I kept listening and eventually got hooked.
 
Aug 16, 2010 at 9:57 AM Post #6 of 28
FM is a means to transport an analog signal, so the music first runs through your phone's DAC to get converted into an analog waveform, then it is frequency modulated (hence FM) to get your radio waves. I don't know if there is any loss of quality due to modulating and demodulating a signal, not to mention a possible faulty reception, but I would hazard a guess that the quality is not as good as through your phones, the question is: to what extent?
 
Aug 26, 2010 at 5:43 AM Post #8 of 28
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Can you point me to where this is explained? Tried to find it around, to no avail. thx


Sure, you can find it in the FCC regs here, under Title 47, Chapter 1, Section 73.310(b):
 
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(b) ... Main channel.  The band of frequencies from 50 to 15,000 Hz which frequency-modulate the main carrier.

 
That's the range the FCC gives you to operate in, so you cannot transmit as much information as a CD has on it, you have to cut a little off the top and bottom to fit it in.
 
Aug 26, 2010 at 6:35 AM Post #9 of 28

 
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Sure, you can find it in the FCC regs here, under Title 47, Chapter 1, Section 73.310(b):
 
 
That's the range the FCC gives you to operate in, so you cannot transmit as much information as a CD has on it, you have to cut a little off the top and bottom to fit it in.


Many thanks. So this is an imposed limitation? I wonder if this is similar worldwide... do you got (at hand) the same numbers for AM broadcasting? I supose with DAB and DRM this limit is diferent...
 
learned something new today, thanks!
 
Feb 25, 2017 at 7:18 PM Post #10 of 28
If you are listening to mp3 files in your car,
you wont notice FM limitations on your music.
The bass will sound better than many ear buds.
I expect you wont notice the difference for
lossless formats either.
 
Feb 25, 2017 at 7:40 PM Post #11 of 28
From the FM transmitters I have tried, they will typically have lower HF response, lower LF response, lower stereo separation and may also have bass weirdness if the LF filter is badly implemented. The quality of transmitters also varies greatly, but it's hard to find ones that can match the quality of a commercial radio station, at least I haven't come across one that was convenient to use in a car.
 
That being said, your ability to tolerate these differences may different from other people. So if you have the ability to try it and it sounds fine to you, go for your life.
 
In any case, if you have the ability to plug in an AptX receiver - for me these have been substantially better as a wireless connection than FM.
 
Feb 25, 2017 at 11:28 PM Post #13 of 28
  From the FM transmitters I have tried, they will typically have lower HF response, lower LF response, lower stereo separation and may also have bass weirdness if the LF filter is badly implemented. The quality of transmitters also varies greatly, but it's hard to find ones that can match the quality of a commercial radio station, at least I haven't come across one that was convenient to use in a car.
 
That being said, your ability to tolerate these differences may different from other people. So if you have the ability to try it and it sounds fine to you, go for your life.
 
In any case, if you have the ability to plug in an AptX receiver - for me these have been substantially better as a wireless connection than FM.

First, the FCC specs for FM are minimums, not maximums.  The top end is limited by the presences of a 19kHz "pilot" tone at -20dB re: 100% modulation, and is required to demodulate stereo.  You don't want audio around that, but modern broadcast transmitters can be flat to 17kHz, and, in the old analog days, included phase compensated low pass filters to protect the pilot.  Today the entire FM signal is synthesized digitally.
 
The low end is (was) limited only by the FM transmitter's automatic frequency control, which wants to "lock" the carrier to a particular frequency, but still permit audio modulation.  Broadcast AFC circuits are complex, two-stage PLLs (if analog at all), but permit full undistorted modulation down to 20Hz.  Broadcast transmitter stereo separation is better than 40dB, often as high as 47dB.  That's transmitted, but a receiver may not realize that potential.   The transmitted FM signal from a broadcast station is always way better than any receiver can produce.
 
The problem is doing any of this cheaply.  Just not going to happen.  There must be compromises in every aspect.  What's worse is, our little FM transmitters appear on our car radio dials right next to the real stations.  Real stations use thousands of dollars worth of audio processing to the the average levels up and loud without shooting over the 100% FCC limits.  That's not an easy task, hence the expense.  Again, you can't do that cheaply, not even close.  So our average levels on our little transmitters have to be kept lower, because FM radios have less than 3dB of headroom above 100% modulation. Without some serious processing, we can't hit high averages.  That means our audio will be lower than broadcast stations, and with the lower transmitted power, often noisier.  It's kind of a no-win, really.  
 
But the fact that it works at all for $50 or so is miraculous.  
 

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