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Do Objective Headphone Measurements Correlate to the Audiophile's Subjective Experience?

Discussion in 'Headphones (full-size)' started by purrin, Jun 16, 2012.
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  1. Beagle
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    I think there is. Headphone measurements have little to do with how people like or dislike the sound of them. So IMO it was a success. Let's keep enjoying what we enjoy and not worry ourselves with how they measure.
     
  2. Focker
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    Absolutely...I love the fact that there are so many varied backgrounds and approaches to the world of audio here. I have been in audio for a while, but knew next to nothing about the head-fi side of things until about six months ago. Now nearly my (audio) focus is on headphones, headamps and the like. That wouldn't have been possible if not for the incredible diversity of this site's members. 
     
    I do think the art of disagreeing without being disagreeable is a lost one, but that's certainly not unique to head-fi. 
     
  3. jerg Contributor
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    When a thread is moving as fast as this, and you have a lot of opinions to express, it's not worth spending double the time dressing up your posts and making them look pretty.
     
  4. obobskivich
    There's never a good excuse for being impolite. :)
     
  5. Focker
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    Agree to disagree :)
     
  6. Anaxilus
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    The line between politeness and honesty is very often a sliding scale depending on who's asking.
     
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  7. shimmer n roar
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    lol! i might just have to quote this in my sig. [​IMG]
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    measurements may not lie but they can be inaccurate and therefore misleading. placing your faith in a measuring methodology that may not be stringently applied or flawed, and in results that are not repeatable or subject to peer review against an agreed standard, is not all that different from accepting someone else's opinion as the fact of the matter.
     
  8. purrin
    Just curious. Which headphones do you own and really like and which headphones do you not like? What are your musical preferences? What aspects of your favorite headphones do you like. This question also goes to k3oxkjo.
     
  9. fishski13
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    what i was trying to get across was that i don't think that there is a preconceived "essential" bias among the members that defines the forum as "objectively better = subjectively better" in all cases.  sure, we're all individually biased, and some are more vocal than others.  my personal favorite headphones don't measure that well but were not included in the polling.  i don't care if my headphones measure great, but would like to try to understand why the headphones sound the way they do.  if there's any inherent bias, "wanting to learn" would be it IMO.  
     
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  10. shimmer n roar
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    i currently own the grado sr-60, sr-225i and the a-t w3000anv, and like them for a variety of reasons, some of which are intangible and not confined to sound alone. i didn't like the hd800 and t1 enough to want to own either. i liked the lcd-2 but found it too unwieldy. i like a variety of musical genres for a host of reasons. [​IMG]
     
  11. mikeaj
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    I've got you now.
     
    As you say, it definitely won't apply "in all cases."  There could still be some net effect that would show up in the average and standard deviation (and other statistics not taken), even if they may not be large and most probably nowhere near enough to overturn preferences like the ED8 being the least popular, which was my point.
     
  12. Maxvla Contributor
    Fidelio L1s are average at best. Bass head cans and nothing else.
     
  13. purrin
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    You are not wrong. That's because you are actually thinking about how to interpret the graphs, which is what I hoped people would at least do. (I guess people who have already made up their minds have already made up their minds.) There's a little art in interpreting the graphs - which will become less of an art as you hear more headphones and recognize the relationship between the patterns in the graphs and specific aspects of headphones' behaviors. Over time and with more experience, we start to recognize patterns as incompatible, compatible, or benign to our own subjective experience.
     
    There are two headphones with poor CSD results which I like (AKG Sextetts and W3000ANV). The masking effect does come into play. And as you said, there are some egregious cases which I find difficult such as the HD700's 5.5k and sympathetic 11kHz peak (which IMO is both subjectively painful to hear and objectively painful to see.)
     
  14. kiteki
     
    In blue, all that proves is that we can't fully trust single measurements, since another model may have less distortion, less noise, and more extended FR, or the adverse, in theory.
     
    Looking at Sonove, Goldenears, innerfidelity, and custom IEM manufacturers, the measurements deviate quite a lot too.
     
  15. LFF
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    No...you're looking at it wrong.

    What it proves is the manufacturers low standards in managing quality control.
     
    I have seen many a stock T50RP measured and they measure extremely similarly.  The fact that the T1 (beyer) and the DT1350 (Oh...ANOTHER beyer) have such variances simply proves that beyer is an utter failure at putting out a decent standardized headphone model.
     
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