Do hd650 distort like k701 do?
Nov 27, 2008 at 6:39 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 66

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I just purchased a pair of k701 headphones, and while I absolutely love the sound of them, they distort as soon as I turn the volume up to a normal listening level.

I thought perhaps it was just a problem with this pair of headphones, but now I see after the purchase that this is a problem with quite a few people on this forum.

Has anyone had a chance to compare HD650's to K701's and did you notice that the HD650's had any distortion like the K701's do?

Also, I am running a PS Audio DLIII DAC connected to a RSA Raptor. I have tried 3 other pairs of headphones that I own, (DX1000, Edition 9, D5000) and there is no distortion that I can detect at a normal listening volume level with any of these headphones, so I do not believe it could be coming from my source or amp.

Thanks to anyone who can help.
 
Nov 27, 2008 at 7:31 AM Post #2 of 66

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I don't think distortion is something any headphone is supposed to do at normal listening levels. Hence I don't think AKG intended to make it distort just for the fun of it.

I'm not really sure what level of distortion you are talking about here, but if it's as horrible as what my Boss distortion guitar pedal is capable of then I can safely tell you that my HD650 doesn't sound like that.
 
Nov 27, 2008 at 7:47 AM Post #3 of 66

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I don't think distortion is something any headphone is supposed to do at normal listening levels. Hence I don't think AKG intended to make it distort just for the fun of it.

I'm not really sure what level of distortion you are talking about here, but if it's as horrible as what my Boss distortion guitar pedal is capable of then I can safely tell you that my HD650 doesn't sound like that.



It kind of reminds me of listening to a 10" subwoofer that was removed from its speaker box. At a low volume the speaker would sound fine, but as soon as you turned up the volume, the speaker would distort since it is not sealed in it's speaker box. I almost get the feeling that if I was able to seal up this pair of k701 headphones, the distortion would go away.

Does this make since?
 
Nov 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM Post #4 of 66

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K701s are inefficient cans with relatively low impedance and thus require fairly large current swings to sound their best. I don't have any experience with the amp but I think the distortion may be occurring because the K701s aren't cooperating with your Raptor. The Raptor has an OTL design, which is said to be better suited to high impedance cans. You could try some different tubes in the amp, which may solve your problem.

Because of their higher impedance, the HD-650s should work well with the Raptor.
 
Nov 27, 2008 at 8:33 AM Post #6 of 66

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all the headphones i've heard distort at high volumes, especially in the low end. k701's distort earlier than most other headphones though.


In case of the HD650 you are talking about volumes which will make you deaf in about 2 hours. (just guessing - never really tried) I can turn my amp up to the max without any noticeable distortion and I wouldn't want to listen to it for a very long time.

K701s shouldn't be distorting at normal volumes though? Should they?
 
Nov 27, 2008 at 8:43 AM Post #7 of 66

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K701s shouldn't be distorting at normal volumes though? Should they?


Definitely not. I've had the K701 play and extraordinarily loud levels (basically as speakers
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Nov 27, 2008 at 8:56 AM Post #8 of 66

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Are you sure your amp isn't clipping? I just cranked up the K-701 (off head) to an unlistenable level and didn't hear any bass distortion. The K-701 is a fairly difficult load to push, anyhow. 62 ohms and requires a bit more voltage than most.
 
Nov 27, 2008 at 10:31 AM Post #10 of 66

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The K701 are a lot like a subwoofer outside of its enclosure. They have a very open design, and rely moreso on diaphragm displacement than enclosure resonance to generate bass, unlike many other headphones. If you're using an EQ to apply bass boost by ear until you get satisfying bass, you could easily cause it to reach its maximum excursion (i.e., distort). If you aren't EQing them, you probably have a faulty headphone, or you might have damaged the drivers in the past.
 
Nov 27, 2008 at 10:45 AM Post #11 of 66

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Give it about +6dB of bass boost and any headphone will distort at normal listening volumes.


Unless I was trying to improve sales I don't think I would ever do that really...
 

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