Denon D1001 / Aurvana Live - Comparisons
Feb 9, 2010 at 4:40 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 7

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As I'm considering the Creative Aurvana Live! and haven't had the pleasure to hear either it or the D1001, I was wondering if the experts here at HeadFi could give me some comparison headphones that might be comparable in sound to these. At least something to futher my electronic purchase decision!
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Feb 9, 2010 at 5:19 AM Post #2 of 7
The Aurvana Lives are polite and sweet sounding headphones and even bring 128 kbps WMAs back to life. They can even dig out details you haven't heard before.

On thing, their bass is lacking in definition, especially for deep and extended bass. Try playing Kyuss without well defined bass. For Pop, Classic, Jazz, House and anything that works fine without present or dominant bass. For Rock these aren't the best in that regard.
 
Feb 9, 2010 at 5:30 AM Post #3 of 7
Thanks for the info!

I'm looking at comparison headphones in that price range, around $50 +/-$20. I also saw on these forums an Alienware rebadge of the Ultrasone HFI-550.

There's so many choices in this price range though, so it's difficult to weed through it all. I'm tempted to push the limit and go up to $100, but I wonder if the difference in sound would be dramatic or not given the options available below that price point.
 
Feb 9, 2010 at 2:50 PM Post #4 of 7
They're more or less the same exact headphone. Although the Denons are made with slightly better materials and seem slightly more comfortable to me. The Denons are also better looking, IMHE.

Essentially, unless you get a considerably better deal on the Creatives (which is known to happen), I'd probably go with the Denons.

edit: Just noticed you were asking general comparisons to the two, not comparisons between them. I don't really know what to compare them to. They kind of sounded similar to JVC harx700's, except a little brighter. Or maybe they sound like a slightly bassier a700? I think the Denon sound is somewhat unique, especially at the lower price ranges. It's a very fun sound though.

They're very "midscooped", with impactful, but not particularly fast bass. They do benefit from adequate amping (which greatly improves the bass response and tightness) and a recable. However, if pumped mids are your things, these are terrible headphones. I tend to like a slight midscoop, so I like them a lot for their general sound signature.
 
Feb 9, 2010 at 3:33 PM Post #5 of 7
Alright, as an owner of both, I will give my take:

They are the same headphone down to a couple specific things. One is the driver housing is a different shape. It could also be of a lesser quality plastic on the Aurvanas, but Creative did a very good job making them "not look cheap". The materials and shape could account for the *very* slight sound signature differences. The headbands are virtually the same, although I prefer the band on the creatives because it has a better grip on the swivel of the cup forks. It may just be that my Denons were "loose" but I like the fit of the Aurvanas.

The earpads are the same shape because the driver and driver baffle are the same. this is what is exactly the same, the driver and baffle, also the wires that come into the cups are of the same guage. They have slightly different ways of holding the cord down, but that is a side effect of the cups being different. While the pads are shaped for the same baffle, the Aurvana pads are about 10-15% more plush. It is something only noticed when you have them both and swap between. I like the Aurvana pads again, so headband (well really just the swivel) and pad win for Crearive.

The inside shape does, indeed, reflect the different cosmetic look of the cups. This is where you probably get the different sound. Denon's more egg-like, and a plastic that seems a bit harder, while Creative uses a softer plastic and a slightly larger volume inside.

The cables on both terminate to a mini-plug after a short distance and expect the use of an extension cable for extending the length. This makes them both very mp3 player friendly, however, Denon's plugs are much better than Creative's, but that is not saying a lot, as even the Denon's far superior extension cable is pretty weak. Most people chunk it, and the Creative one isn't even worth the materials it is made from. It is so sad. People say the Denon's cable is an issue, well Creative's extension, same length, is a full 1/2 of the size of the Denon. It looks like it could break if you pulled on it a bit too hard. Needless to say, the cable, 1/4" adapter, and plug terminations are much better from Denon. They get you by, and work OK as a complete kit, but the Creative's are trouble.

I modded my Aurvanas over the Denons. I am happy that I did too, and the next mod will be a re-cable, but the cable is the same as Denon until the termination/plug, so it sounds fine with a good extension. The Aurvanas now blow away the stock Denons, but some people may not like it. The cub design and material quality lend extra HF extension to the Denons, but the bottom end suffers a bit, where on the Aurvanas, the entire sound spectrum is shifted down a bit. Slightly less HF exstension, but a bottom end with some weight to it, and after the mod, a somewhat "inspired" one from the mod of the D2000s, the bass is extremely taught, while the midrange remains about the same. Voicing is good on both, but there seems to be a bit more "air" on the Denons, however, I have grown to realy like my modded Aurvanas, and I don't even pull the Denons out. I will probably mod them eventually and be even more impressed, but until then, the sleek piano black with stainless steel accents (real or not) on the Creatives, they just fit well and look damn good when I hang them up. They have become an extremely fun pair of phones.

The velvety bag you get for the phones is interesting in that The Creatives actually have a stitched tag on theirs with the Creative name, but the Denon bag is just that, slightly less weight, and no tag, but looking the same. I know that is getting into the nit-picking, but I wanted to writeup basically a primer that sheds light on these two phones, made in the same fatory, by the same company, with the same important hardware, except for some cost saving on things like the plugs by Creative, an effort to keep the two brands separate from one another, and perhaps some slight material/design engineering changes that favor the Denons, of course, they are often an extra 50 dollars, and even more, so knowing all of this, I see no reason not to try the Creatives if less than 1% performance change (without the extension) is not an issue.
 
Feb 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM Post #7 of 7
Aurvanas and an E-MU 0202USB for dac and headphone, this is probably the most cost effective introduction into what PC audio can really do.

The ASIO drivers for the 0202 are good, Creative did not do a bad job, even my OS xp x64 is fully supported. I use a winamp ASIO plugin for output and I can even upsample to 24/96 or higher if I like as it is USB 2.0, and the device supports 32/192.

I use this combo with my laptop to basically have an audiophile system with me, as it is USB powered, anywhere I would normally take a laptop/netbook. MY netbook has no issue with redbook ASIO, though it does not do well on upsampling, for that, one needs a CPU like whatever AMD or Intel puts on the desktop. At work where I have a good desktop, I can upsample to 32/192 at the highest quality, but I noticed that upsampling only really tweaks things a tiny bit, and going beyond 24/96 is really no point. Plus, 24/96 is low CPU use, if you do choose to do this. Having a native ASIO driver is very welcome, as many interfaces need the default, or ASIO4ALL, and usb-audio.com driver does not work well with many interfaces, or computers with larger DPC latency. The native Creative E-MU driver is rock solid.
 

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