Darkest Desires Part V
Jul 15, 2006 at 3:07 AM Post #1,127 of 2,645
Finally made a decision, and an order. Ordered the following:

DEFLESHED - Royal Straight Flesh
HECATE ENTHRONED - The Blackend Collection
EUCHARIST - Mirrorworlds
DARKANE - Rusted Angel

One nice thing, the end is running a 13% off everything in the shop sale for a while. Code is Lucky13 to get the discount.
 
Jul 15, 2006 at 4:52 AM Post #1,128 of 2,645
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Originally Posted by diogenes
I suppose another spin of the disk(s) might be in order.
From what I recall they did not move me one bit.



Perhaps so, there's a few of us that quite enjoyed the Elegeion disks, and i'm sure I need to spin the Funeral a few more times as well
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Jul 15, 2006 at 9:52 AM Post #1,129 of 2,645
Darkangel : I really shouldn't need to tell you twice that The-end has latest Thyrane album, should I?
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They also seem to have Summoning - Oath Bound, not to mention Swallow The Sun - Ghosts of Loss..
 
Jul 15, 2006 at 11:32 PM Post #1,130 of 2,645
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Originally Posted by Nacher
I have hard time picking a favourite from Winds Devouring Men vs Sunwar The Dead. Both are total 5/5 for me, but even though they appear to be quite similar, their atmospheres are completely different. While Sunwar The Dead is aggressive, intense and scary, Winds Devouring Men is more emotional, dark and sad. Sunwar The Dead could be about psychedelia, chaos and fear, Winds Devouring Men about sorrow, grief and depression. WDM is definelty the "more beautiful" of the two.

Edit : The closer track of WDM has been mentioned several times in the "saddest song ever written" thread, and for a good reason. That track is seriously something to slit your wrists with.



I'd forgotten my previous aquaintance with this band and our differing tastes. It reminds me of reading a great work of art that isn't enjoyed. Have me sit through an Henrik Ibsen and my life may end as I accidently slip from the ledge when trying to escape the room through the window.
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Originally Posted by captainzoli
As for sound, I have listened through the three cds several times over the past couple of days, and overall, I like them. The quality of the mix seems to vary widely, even within a CD, so that is sometimes strange (the drums in particular), but I think mainly what keeps these CDs from being really good has more to do with the quality of the recording than the quality of the band. I am happy with my purchase, and these three will stay in my rotation for a while, at least. As for the other two cds:


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Originally Posted by captainzoli
Finally made a decision, and an order. Ordered the following:

DEFLESHED - Royal Straight Flesh
HECATE ENTHRONED - The Blackend Collection
EUCHARIST - Mirrorworlds
DARKANE - Rusted Angel

One nice thing, the end is running a 13% off everything in the shop sale for a while. Code is Lucky13 to get the discount.



Although of a similar mix you may like Nokturnal Mortum's Lunar Poetry. The mix is the same with vocals well back in a dense murky, foggy sound but I love it and can really turn it up to a lovely roar. For me Negura Bunget are trying but Nokturnal Mortum's Lunar Poetry is the real deal of this style of blackened metal. I don't care much for the follow up Goat Horns though and don't know the other albums. I've listened to Lunar Poetry four times in the last 24hrs and I think it's brilliant. Love the guitar.
 
Jul 15, 2006 at 11:59 PM Post #1,131 of 2,645
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Originally Posted by eyeteeth
Although of a similar mix you may like Nokturnal Mortum's Lunar Poetry. The mix is the same with vocals well back in a dense murky, foggy sound but I love it and can really turn it up to a lovely roar. For me Negura Bunget are trying but Nokturnal Mortum's Lunar Poetry is the real deal of this style of blackened metal. I don't care much for the follow up Goat Horns though and don't know the other albums. I've listened to Lunar Poetry four times in the last 24hrs and I think it's brilliant. Love the guitar.


I'll have to add that to my "to get" list for the next order then. Thanks for the tip.
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Jul 17, 2006 at 6:56 PM Post #1,132 of 2,645
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I have to order something else just to see if that new high speed delivery was a fluke.


Ordered:
Dissection - The Somberlain
(slipcase w/bonus disc)
For a change the bonus disc does seem worthy:

CD 2: BONUS DISC
UNRELEASED LIVE RECORDING ’95
01. Frozen
02. The Somberlain
INTO INFINITE OBSCURITY 7” EP 1991
(Remastered Original Mix)
03. Shadows Over A Lost Kingdom
04. Son of the Mourning
05. Into Infinite Obscurity
DEMO 1992 (Remastered Original Mix)
06. Frozen
07. In the Cold Winds of Nowhere
08. Feathers Fell
09. Mistress of the Bleeding Sorrow
THE GRIEF PROPHECY DEMO 1990
(Remastered Original Mix)
10. The Call of the Mist
REMASTERED REHEARSAL 1990
11. Severed Into Shreds
SATANIZED (Remastered Rehearsal 1991)
12. Satanized
13. Born In Fire

I may try the vinyl versions of each Dissection which TheEnd has.

Nokturnal Mortum - To The Gates Of Blasphemous Fire
Nokturnal Mortum - Nechrist
I wish NM's Weltanschauung had been available.

Blasphemous Fire?
How can an exothermic chemical reaction be blasphemous?
These metal morons need some schoolin'
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Jul 17, 2006 at 10:26 PM Post #1,133 of 2,645
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I wish NM's Weltanschauung had been available.


These metal morons need some schoolin'


Found & ordered a Weltanschauung Cd. Weltanschauung is derived from the German for "world view" and in this instance it is probably used to voice a loathsome view of racial superiority or some other stupidity. I'm sure that if the lyrics were decipherable by ear I would not be able to put aside the content and play this music. Hypocritical?
 
Jul 18, 2006 at 4:36 AM Post #1,134 of 2,645
Man, I really want to get into all of these bands in all of these threads, but have absolutely NO CLUE at all where to start.. If somebody could organize or seperate these bands into categories, Ill hand-bake you a cookie and fly to deliver it to your house!!
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Jul 18, 2006 at 5:10 AM Post #1,135 of 2,645
Just do some searching on Metal Archives and you'll find all the relative genres and reviews, I use that site quite alot.

edit: In other words, I got my copy of Augury - Concealed today .... the music is bloody fast! I wonder how many times the drummer hits that snare drum per minute (has to be above 100) O_O but I really like it
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Jul 18, 2006 at 3:08 PM Post #1,136 of 2,645
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Originally Posted by ShaftedTwice
Man, I really want to get into all of these bands in all of these threads, but have absolutely NO CLUE at all where to start.. If somebody could organize or seperate these bands into categories, Ill hand-bake you a cookie and fly to deliver it to your house!!
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I know what you mean, there are 100,000,000 bands out there and many are not very good. When I began exploring (non-mainstream?) metal I sought what were considered to be classics, masterpieces, the very best of a particular sub-genre. It should be that one of those examples will be fantastic, OK or uninteresting for you and you'll have a heading on which direction to to go from there. I'll scout around for a good guide. I'm partial to chocolate chip.
 
Jul 18, 2006 at 3:26 PM Post #1,137 of 2,645
Of the various metal genres it seems I like 'Black Metal' (proper) more than the others here.

This is a good overview essay to get a handle on what 'Black Metal' is. Many bands mix genres and influences and aren't clear cut in where they belong. I've edited out the historical and political parts of the essay as personally I don't find them important and it may cross the line here at headfi. Go to the link if need be. Suffice to say you needn't be a fine person to be a fine musician.

[size=x-large]Black Metal: A Brief Guide[/size]

"This is an article intended as a short yet informative guide for people who are generally familiar with metal but are largely unacquainted with black metal. At the end I have provided mini-reviews of what I consider to be the ten most influential and essential black metal albums.
Definition

The exact definition of "black metal" is a hotly contested subject: a quick perusal of the archives of any metal message board will reveal the extent to which even today it remains a hotly contested topic of debate. One can find entire threads dedicated to the question whether the new Satyricon and Enslaved can be considered black metal. Two main camps have emerged over the last few years:

1. One school of thought, which I will call the "Purist" view, claims that the term "black metal" refers only to underground acts (in this context a "mainstream black metal" act is one which is signed to one of the larger independents, such as Nuclear Blast or Candlelight). These underground acts tend to have a rawer and noticeably simpler style.

2. The second school of thought, which I call the "Inclusive" view, permits a wider definition which includes more mainstream acts, such as Emperor, and also bands such as Marduk, Dissection or Dimmu Borgir. These bands tend to have superior production values and are often more technical then their underground counterparts. These bands tend to be more melodic then their cruder sounding peers, and may also have a stronger focus on keyboards. Sometimes this categorisation becomes overbroad and Viking metal bands (such as Mithotyn or Einherjer) are lazily and erroneously considered as black metal. I have even heard Children of Bodom being called black metal, which is pushing the boundaries too far.

Black metal is notoriously hard to define, and vague, pretentious statements such as 'black metal is the nihilistic audio representation of all the misanthropic evil inherent in man' are unhelpful. But perhaps the following exposition, taking into account both of the viewpoints above, is the best:

Black metal is an extreme subgenre of metal characterised by snarled or shrieked vocals and raucous tremolo riffs. The bass tends to be, for all intents and purposes, non-existent. Production tends to be trebly and raw. Most bands adopt a relatively simplistic style, though some of the more mainstream acts (Emperor is a notable example) are more technical. Generally, technicality is frowned upon and soloing is infrequent and hardly ever used. A clearer, more discernible but atonal vocal style is often used, usually in conjunction with a harsher shrieking style. Keyboards are frequently adopted. Usage of folk, neoclassical and, to a lesser extent, ambient elements is frequent.


The 10 Most Influential Black Metal Albums

Criteria: The following albums were chosen because of the impact that they have had on successive bands. A fair amount of personal preference has also affected the bands chosen, and in a list this short it is sometimes the only way to make a choice between two bands who are arguably equally important. For example, can it be said that Satyricon are more influential than Thorns or Ulver? I have focused exclusively on the first and second waves of black metal. The reason for this is simple: these are the bands most often cited by current black metal bands as being their biggest influence. Ratings are not given, as I wouldn't mention them unless they were worth 10 out of 10. However, they are of more than historical interest and stand in their own right as classic black metal albums that should be in every fan's collection. If you don't have them, start saving!

Venom - _Black Metal_ (Neat Records, 1982)

Although relatively tame by today's standards, they certainly weren't when they released their debut back in 1981 -- at which time they were one of the first bands to explicitly and unambiguously espouse a Satanic outlook. The genesis of black metal was Venom's seminal debut _Welcome to Hell_. Any one of their first three albums could have been chosen, as they are all classics, but the reason _Black Metal_ was chosen was largely because it has the quintessential Venom song "Countess Bathory" -- as well as being the album that provided a name for the developing genre. Venom's simplistic, raw sounding and sloppily played songs were to be the blueprint from which all others would follow in one way or another. Although they superficially don't sound like most black metal bands, virtually all of the basic audio characteristics are present; the major difference lies in the vocals, which are sung in a clear and decipherable voice, having little in common with the shrieked vocal style of almost all black metal bands. Their Satanic aspect may have been a gimmick, and it may not have been. Either way, it ushered in one of the most potent metal subgenres.

Bathory - _Bathory_ (Black Mark, 1984)

Any of Bathory's first five albums can rightly be considered a classic and have collectively had the biggest impact on the development of black metal -- selecting just one as the most influential is an exercise in futility. The best option was to simply go back to the beginning where it all started: on his short and nasty self-titled debut. Most of the songs struggle to attain the three minute mark, the music is simple and sloppily performed and the lyrics are laughable. At another time and another place, this might have been seen as juvenile and doomed to obscurity. But the sheer uncompromising violence of the music -- which was pretty much unrivalled in 1984 -- meant that this album couldn't simply be dismissed. Like many other black metal classics, the end result was greater than the sum of its parts. Later albums would show considerable growth and progression, but none would replicate the 'take no prisoners' attitude and youthful aggression of _Bathory_.

Celtic Frost - _Morbid Tales_ (Noise, 1984)

It is significant that while Celtic Frost do not fit comfortably into either death, thrash or black metal, each genre has tried to claim Celtic Frost as one of their own. Their debut album was a relatively raw and simplistic affair, unburdened by the avant-garde accoutrements that would be experimented with at a later stage. The abrasive sound was probably due more to lack of funds than design, but would nonetheless serve as a blueprint for future bands. Their signature riffs have been much copied and their influence can be felt almost everywhere, in bands as diverse as Samael and Darkthrone. Their signature song, "Circle of the Tyrants", is probably the most covered song in extreme metal, with everyone from Obituary to Mystic Circle having a go at it. Although they were never one of the more technical bands, their unique and original sound, combined with a desire to experiment, meant that they would be remembered long after their demise.

Immortal - _Pure Holocaust_ (Osmose, 1993)

Immortal got off to an unpromising and noisy start with _Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism_, barely recognisable as an Immortal release in comparison to later efforts. But its successor _Pure Holocaust_ was an entirely different beast: gone were the death metal overtones, replaced with the characteristic cold production that came to be known as the Norse sound. _Pure Holocaust_ sounds less noisy than its predecessor, but infinitely more hateful, with more angry songs. Immortal are one of the more unique black metal bands both in terms of sound and appearance, thanks largely to Abbath's unique croak and grim frostbitten appearance. If it were any other band attempting this image, it would probably be extremely cheesy; but with Immortal it somehow just seems right.

Satyricon - _Dark Medieval Times_ (Moonfog, 1993)

_Dark Medieval Times_ is a noisy affair, drawing on folk music and the Middle Ages for inspiration -- a sharp contrast to the more urbane image Satyr is currently cultivating. The use of folk elements and the 'floating' guitar sound combine to create an incredibly atmospheric album. While the insubstantial sounding guitars may be considered a flaw by some, it provides the album with a unique sound largely unduplicated by the black metal community. Indeed without this sound, _DMT_ would lose a lot of its potent ambience. Along with Ulver, Satyricon were one of the first acts to utilise folk elements and were possibly the first 'trollish' bands. Many bands, such as Wyrd and Nokturnal Mortum, have since then successfully merged folk instrumentation and melodies with black metal.

Burzum - _Hvis Lyset Tar Oss_ (Misanthropy, 1994)

While _Hvis Lyset Tar Oss_ is superficially similar to its predecessors, the stronger song writing as well as the inclusion of the amazing "Det Som Engang Var" meant that this album stands out (albeit only slightly) from his other work. This album features all the Burzum trademarks, namely droning guitars and minimalist drumming, all accompanied by Vikernes' unique wail. _HLTO_ also features the obligatory ambient track, "Tomhet", which showcases Burzum's skill in creating ethereal ambient music, present throughout and an integral part of his black metal period, although sadly much ignored.

Darkthrone – _Transylvanian Hunger_ (Peaceville, 1994)

Fenriz and company took the basic black metal outline that they had helped pioneer on the amazing _A Blaze in the Northern Sky_ and stripped it of any and all frills, resulting in a sparse, hateful album. The thin production later became known as the "necro’" sound. The raspy croak that passes for vox and the stripped down guitars are the very embodiment of black metal simplicity, while the practically non-existent production resulted in the bass being totally inaudible and the drums dissolving into an undifferentiated sludge. These are far from being negatives, as _Transylvanian Hunger_ embodied the very spirit of black metal and formed the seed from which it was to grow. Much imitated, but never equalled, _TH_ stands above almost all others.

Enslaved - _Vikingligr Veldi_ (Voices of Wonder, 1994)

Unlike most of their peers, Enslaved eschewed Satanism in favour of a neo-Pagan world view, focusing heavily on Norway's Viking heritage. Many bands would advocate similar ideas, but Enslaved were probably the first to do so (barring Bathory's Viking era material). _Vikingligr Veldi_ is a delightfully lengthy and repetitive affair, utilising the same cold Norse production as Immortal's _Pure Holocaust_. But instead of playing furious black metal, a greater emphasis is placed on creating atmosphere, inducing an almost trance-like state in the listener. Like all other albums mentioned here it is a unique album, yet it feels necessary to draw attention to this fact here, as it tends to be in the shadow of most of the other bands / albums mentioned in this section.

Emperor - _In the Nightside Eclipse_ (Candlelight, 1994)

One could not imagine a more suitable name for the creative entity centred around the duo of Samoth and Ihsahn, as at the time of their premature demise they were the undisputed lords of black metal. Although it was _Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk_ that brought them widespread acclaim, _In the Nightside Eclipse_ ensured that they already could be considered as one of black metal elite. Emperor fortunately dropped the fuzzy guitar sound of the _Emperor_ EP in favour of a more focused and infinitely more intense sound. Although the lyrics are inferior to those on _AttWaD_, they were nonetheless already superior to those produced by the vast majority of their contemporaries. While they were not the first black metal act to use keyboards, they were probably the first to adopt a more majestic and -- pun unintended -- imperial sound, and helped pave the way for the more melodic and symphonic black metal acts.

Mayhem - _De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas_ (Deathlike Silence Productions / Century Black, 1994)

This album was the result of a mixture of chance, luck, skill and talent. Dead's suicide resulted in the recruitment of Attila (Tormentor) for session vocals, whose unique, weird vocals provided the perfect backdrop to Euronymous' furious riffs. While Euronymous' guitar style was widely influential, Attila's unorthodox vocals didn't exactly set the scene ablaze. The bass (performed by Varg Vikernes or Hellhammer, depending on which story you choose to believe) is unusually prominent and sounds particularly ominous on tracks such as "Pagan Fears" and "Life Eternal". The drumming is impeccable, provided by black metal's best drummer, Hellhammer. All of these factors combined to form one of the definitive black metal albums, one which remains a classic ten years after its first release. This album also proved to be the albatross around Mayhem's collective necks, as while it was massive progression from their primitive death metal roots, such was the import of this album that all of their subsequent work was doomed to be in its shadow, irrespective of the quality.

Concluding Thoughts

It will be interesting to see what the next few years will bring to black metal. As I mentioned earlier, I strongly believe the impetus behind black metal's fourth wave will be in Eastern Europe. This may be somewhat muted, as the National Socialist tendencies will act as a dampener on more widespread adoption. Nonetheless, Slavic black metal will come to dominate black metal in years to come. Scenes in France and Germany, as well as in many other countries, will obviously continue to develop and coalesce; however, eyes will be trained further east.

This will not result in the disappearance of any black metal subgenre -- there will be a place under the sun (moon?) for the raw shameless Bathory copycats as well as the more futuristic acts.

(article submitted 31/8/2004)"
 
Jul 18, 2006 at 3:27 PM Post #1,138 of 2,645
The easiest way would be to tell us what you listen to already (metal or not), and then from there we can sort of draw you in by recommending metal with x influences that you already are familar with etc.

Made another order from Sonic Cathedral just then

The Gathering - If_then_else
The Gathering - A Sound Relief DVD
Moonlight - Inermis
Moonlight - Floe
Nightwish - Oceanborn
Nightwish - Century Child

The Gathering album and the two Nightwish CDs are pretty much just filler because i've run out of things I really want from that store for now, i've been meaning to pick the albums up for over a year but havent gotten around to it because there's always been something else I wanted instead.

Also looking at a few CDs from Movie Mars

Sunn o))) - White1
Sunn o))) - White2
Earth - Earth 2
Therion - Theli

My to buy list of Dark Metal has shrunk substantially since i've been going on a few spending sprees over the past few months

main CD I am having trouble finding for a good price is an original of Tiamat - Wildhoney, not interested in the Wildhoney / Gaia double release because it is the same few songs twice.

other CDs i've been looking for but havent been able to find

Funeral - In the Fields of Pestilant Grief
Artrosis - W Imie Nocy
Forgotten Silence - Ka Ba Ach
Shape of Despair - Angel of Distress
Elend - The Umbersun
Therion - Lemuria (not the double release because I already have Sirius B)

will be quite happy when UneXpect release their album in August, however for the meantime i'm struggling a bit to satisfy my lust.
 
Jul 18, 2006 at 3:32 PM Post #1,139 of 2,645
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Originally Posted by ShaftedTwice
Man, I really want to get into all of these bands in all of these threads, but have absolutely NO CLUE at all where to start.. If somebody could organize or seperate these bands into categories, Ill hand-bake you a cookie and fly to deliver it to your house!!
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I just started concentrating on picking up dark metal, but it seems to me that there is alot of overlap in genres, making it difficult to pin down bands as being one thing or another. What has been helpful in making decisions, for me at least, has been reading the threads to see what has been said about what, reviewing DarkAngel's "Best Of" list, and checking out samples on the internet. Checking out what's on sale doesn't hurt either.
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Jul 18, 2006 at 3:56 PM Post #1,140 of 2,645
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Originally Posted by captainzoli
What has been helpful in making decisions, for me at least, has been reading the threads to see what has been said about what, reviewing DarkAngel's "Best Of" list, and checking out samples on the internet.


DarkAngel's list is an excellent list that contains many things I love (and many things I've not heard). His list wouldn't be my list though and personal taste reigns. DarkAngel's list is more gothic romantic than mine would be. I don't have a list (looks like a lot of work!). Who else has a list? DarkAngel's list is good to look through.
 

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