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Cypher Labs Theorem 720

Discussion in 'Portable Headphone Amps' started by drsheep, Sep 3, 2013.
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  1. utdeep
    I've been using a recently produced Theorem for a few hours and the hiss is unbearable.  It doesn't matter if it is a LCD-3, Shure SE846, or a NAD Viso HP-50.  I tried another Theorem from a friend with the same results.  We're both returning our products.  I just don't get it.
     
    I noticed a little bit of hiss with a Cypher Labs CLAS -db/Duet combo and it was't much of an issue.  This hiss is ridiculous - even worse than the ALO MK3.   Compared to the non-existent noise floors of other companies, how does any company put out a product that ruins any music with silent parts?
     
    A non-existent noise floor should be a minimum standard that amp manufacturers should be held to.  I understand that this is a personal preference, but all the rest of the sound seems irrelevant when I feel like there is a dang mosquito stuck in my earpad. 
     
  2. Ultrainferno
    There's no hiss with my LCD-2 or any other full sized can for that matter
     
  3. utdeep
    Are you sure?  The LCD-3 is probably less sensitive than the LCD-2, and I can even hear the noise floor on it.  It drives me nuts on the SE846.   I use the LCD-3 at medium gain but I think I prefer high gain for the increased dynamics but the hiss gets worse.
     
    I must be the unluckiest head-fier around!
     
  4. fiascogarcia
     
    I've been so, so interested in streamlining with one of these new dac/amp combos coming out.  But it seems right now I think I'm very happy with my CLAS/RSA and CLAS/Pure II setups, because I hear nothing in the way of hiss!  Then again, I have old ears. [​IMG]
     
  5. singleended58
    Go with balanced connection the hiss will be much less and bearable.
     
  6. fiascogarcia
    Somehow "bearable" doesn't instill a lot of confidence.
     
  7. utdeep
    I am all balanced with both the SE846 and the LCD3. 
     
    I wish they had stuck the guts of the Duet into the Theorem - it has more power for the high impedence headphones and more range for the senstive IEMs.  At any rate, I prefer the headphone out of my iPhone over this noisy amp.
     
  8. Ultrainferno
    have you checked back with CL?
     
  9. singleended58
    My Theorem does not have "loud" hiss or I might get used to it since I got Rxmk3B. :)
     
  10. utdeep
    I don't think I need to because my impressions match up with everything others have said.  We also tried two different Theorems.  I might just be very sensitive to it.
     
    Unfortunately, it's a definite deal breaker.
     
    If you like hiss, the RXmk3b is perfect for you.  I still liked the RX though... with the HD800.
     
  11. Scorpion667
    Both combinations have some copper colour. Are you referring to the top or bottom one?
     
  12. rudi0504

    I like all In Copper Color , not The combination Color
    Or now has Gold Color look beautiful too

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  13. IceClass
    Too bad it isn't available in silver.
     
  14. singleended58

    Are all Theorem in colors plated with copper and gold? I thought Cypher Labs using real copper or gold but the prices seeem to be the same with black aluminum (?)
     
  15. catcherfly
    Has anyone tried the T-Peos H-200 or H-300 with the 720. They are not crazy sensitive IEM so I'm really hoping the noise floor will be minimal. I'll be listening with an iPhone 5s, mostly electronic music
     
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