cure for forward midrange presentation on listening to hd650

[boodi]

I'd like to get the mids a bit less forward , sometimes i get fatigued by how much mids are prominent on hd650 ( not that you can't hear bass or treble , is just that sometime it seems the mids are getting over the rest ...)

maybe a cable ?
what cable recess the mids a bit with hd650 ?

 

[JaZZ]

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Originally Posted by boodi ...What cable tend to recess mids a bit with hd650?

One answer: Zu Mobius. And clearly so. Or is it rather increased bass and treble (extension)?

 

[ampgalore]

Get an equalizer

 

[boodi]

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Originally Posted by JaZZ One answer: Zu Mobius. And clearly so. Or is it rather increased bass and treble (extension)?

many are saying the zu increase forwardness of mids.....also moonaudio told me the zu has been designed with hd600 in mind ..

 

[JaZZ]

Zucable has denied to ever voice their cables to special equipment. This statement has been mentioned in this forum not too long ago. And while I'd say the Zu Mobius is a good match with the HD 600, it is a just as good or even better match with the HD 650 -- and to my humble ears indeed brings bass and treble to the fore and the midrange to the back (speaking of sonic balance, not spatial imaging).

 

[Steve999]

I second the suggestion to get an equalizer. If you want to go to headphone heaven, and learn lots of fascinating new things in the process

Behringer DEQ2496 thread,

get a Behringer DEQ2496 digital equalizer. As it so happens, the Senn HD580 / HD600 / HD650 series of headphones are apparently extremely well-suited to respond to EQ, because they are so well-designed (this has been determined by folks far more expert in such things than I am). I get exceptional results with my HD580.

 

[Anders]

I talked with Zu Cable before I bought the Mobius cable. This was at a time when hardly anyone here had heard it with HD650. But there were statements at this forum that it was voiced for HD600. So I asked them. I got the impression that they felt a little upset by the question. By asking such a question, I kind of presupposed that they are guys who sit and test out wires by trial and error in a garage. They answered that they do not work that way and that they design the cables to be optimal for the conditions of use, impedance and other parameters. It might be therefore it also sound so good with HD650.

There have been many statments about voicing at Head-Fi. Most often, these seem to originate from someone who find that equipment works particularly well in a specific combination. And assume that it is voiced. And after that, this is repeated as some kind of truth.

boodi, I see that you have good headphones and amps. Don't know what your sources are but they don't seem to be of the same high quality as your other gear. Maybe more important than the cable?

 

[JaZZ]

I don't like the equalizer idea. It brings a lot of electronics components into the signal path which won't do good to the signal. Or in the case of the Behringer you're either limited to the CD format or have to reconvert and/or downsample possible high-rez signals. In any case you're bound to a cheap DAC: the one in the Behringer. Not the kind of audio chain you want if you're an audiophile with a Wadia, Accuphase, Audio Aero, Meridian or other high-end source...

 

[iamdone]

When I was reading these, I was thinking what forward midrange are they talking about but I forgot I have the zu cable as well. Very balanced and the increased detail is amazing.

 

[Patrickhat2001]

I don't mean to be dissing the guys of Zu Cable (especially since I've never heard the Mobius) but the idea of them NOT voicing their cables for specific equipment is a little off putting. Personally I like the idea some guys tinkering with different cable designs in order to find the configuration that sounds just right to them--whether they're in a garage or not.

Just because a cable transmits the electical signal with as little interferance as possible doesn't mean that it will necessarly make the headphones sound better. But whatever works, though, most people seem to really like the Mobius cable and I look forward to trying it someday.

 

[iamdone]

I guess it's the end results that matter. They also have 30 day money back guarantee, so if you're not happy just can just return it.

 

[lindrone]

Yet another vote for Zu Mobius... I feel they are the best upgrade cable overall for the HD580/600/650 series. Not only that, they are by far the most well constructed out of all the aftermarket cables, imo.

The flexibility of the cable, texture of the surface, quality of the plugs are all top-notch.

 

[boodi]

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Originally Posted by lindrone Yet another vote for Zu Mobius... I feel they are the best upgrade cable overall for the HD580/600/650 series. Not only that, they are by far the most well constructed out of all the aftermarket cables, imo. The flexibility of the cable, texture of the surface, quality of the plugs are all top-notch.

yes i feel it's very well built but i need a cable that go recessing midrange with hd650 ...I'm stating feeling it's me I am particular senistive to hd650 mid forwardness

still don't understand if zu makes mid more or less present or just don't change hd650 tonal balance .

 

[tom hankins]

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Originally Posted by JaZZ One answer: Zu Mobius. And clearly so. Or is it rather increased bass and treble (extension)?

I think it's the latter two. On my system the midrange is improved with the Zu also. I don't think it's layed back any though. Everything in the music is more noticable with the Zu Mobius cable.

 

[iamdone]

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Originally Posted by boodi yes i feel it's very well built but i need a cable that go recessing midrange with hd650 ...I'm stating feeling it's me I am particular senistive to hd650 mid forwardness still don't understand if zu makes mid more or less present or just don't change hd650 tonal balance .

It extends the ends so the bass is deeper and the highs go higher. It also seems to clean up the sound so it is much clearer and you can hear all the detail that was missing. The soundstage because a little bit bigger as well (I guess not a much a the silver dragon cable). So the mids kind become less forward because of the extended range of everything else. As I said everything has a good balance.

Just a note is if you source or amp doesn't have good balance then the hd650 will show it. I was opamp rolling and one had increased mids and sounded good at first but just didn't sound right in the end. The vocals were off and the drums didn't have enough impact. Using my current opamps, everything is perfect.