come try this interactive testing!!

Jan 29, 2003 at 11:28 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 16

darcangelo

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Well now, I've already asked questions that were supposed to guide me to buy a proper set of cans but I always felt that somehow I didn't communicate my definition of proper cans.. well... properly. If I said it was for electronica then people immediately supposed I was a bass freak but IMO bass is important, but so are other qualities, then if I asked about soundstage I'd get posts recomending soundstage alone, well, anyway I think this little test will make things a LOT clearer. I put up 4 samples of songs I usually listen to, you're free to download them, listen to them through your gear and tell me which sounds best. For each sample, I'll put a few comments on what a good phone should give IMO. So if you have the time please take my test.

you should click on http://snusnu.tripod.com and there you'll find 4 files to download with the 4 samples (the file at top is sample 1, the file at bottom is 4). You can click on the files to play, but I advise you right-click and select "save as". If you don't have the time or patience to dload all 4, then at least try the first one please.

so now: In sample 1 I'd expect enough details as to properly hear those little voices around minute 1:19. What's absolutely CRUCIAL for me however is that the little background melody in 1:32 should sound very airy and smooth. A pair of cans that does that well would be my best pick.

Now if you still have time you can go over to my other 3 samples:
in sample 2 there should be a good representation of the melody that comes in around 0:50 and the way it gradually comes from background to the front. again, in my definition of proper phones, the melody should sound smooth and airy, although more harsh than in sample 1. Another caracteristic would be to feel those acid sounds that kick in 2:23, I mean they should be felt in the lows as well as heard, have a kind of agressive impact on the ear. A good detail on soundtage IMO would be to accurately reproduce the echoes "one million years" that comes in 3:15 and accurately portray the way it decays slightly to one side.

Still interested? then in sample 3 there are like a ton of sounds thrown in your face. What would interest me there is to represent accurately all those tiny different sounds as well as give the wanted harshness to the almost-guitar sounding synthline

And if you're still not bored and for some lower BPMs, in sample 4 I would like to hear with enough detail the water noises in the beginning (0:15), have a large airy soundstage and that the flute doesn't sound harsh, especially near the end of the sample.

Well, that's it. Thank you for everyone that's willing to take my test. I gave some guidelines on what would be essential to me in those samples but if it just feels right to you or you find anything else worth pointing out, then be my guest and say so.
And no, I couldn't just go with a sample CD to a headphone fanatic reunion cause there is no such thing where I live!!

oh and in case you were wondering what those samples are or if you already have them at your home and don't want to bother downloading them (although the minutes described won't fit since I cut down the tracks - don't want any trouble with the RIAA...): 1. is Domi Pastor - Fa Fret from the album Immortality, 2. is Astal Projection - One Million Years From Today from the album Amen, 3. is Domestic - Metal Sense from the compilation Psychedellic Vibes 5 and 4. is Entheogenic - Level One from the album Entheogenic
 
Jan 29, 2003 at 4:55 PM Post #5 of 16
nope the links don't work if you copy paste them to a new browser window... I get a javascript error then the tripod page not found error page.

anyway, vB code explained
 
Jan 30, 2003 at 12:57 PM Post #8 of 16
Nice sounds!

My (foamless, cable-upgraded) Sennheiser HD 600 resolves all the details you mention very well and does absolutely justice to the music. Its resolution is one of the highest of the five, the details were very clearly noticeable. But maybe it almost sounds too organic (not enough «electronic») for such music, compared to the Grados.

The Grado SR-225 seems to be even more attractive for this music. Its slightly dark mids don't have exactly the same resolution – noticeable with the running water on track four, which is less clearly audible, but are smooth and detailed anyway. On the other hand they give the feeling to perceive quite a lot spatial depth from the electronic reverberation. The stronger bass and treble give a livelier impression and point out the rhythmic element as well as high-frequency details. I liked this music best with it.

The Grado SR-325 was a slight disappointment. I'd expected it to be best with electronics. But neither did it resolve that highly as the HD 600 nor did it sound that rhythmically dramatic and lively as the SR-225. And it didn't reach its sense of space and its dynamic contrasts. Nevertheless: its bass is the strongest of the quintet.

The Etymotic ER-4X is on the second place. It has the highest resolution of all, but suffers from the same «weakness» as the HD 600: it may be a bit too organic, doesn't point out the frequency extremes enough to give the right «techno» feeling.

The AKG K 501 first seemed to be a promising candidate: its very fast transients made everything sound full of energy and detail. Well, it's a bit too much for my liking. Its bass is the fastest of the quartet, together with the ER-4, but also very lean, thus exposing the mids. This opulence of synthetic midrange events made me downright nervous. Another downside is the lack of elegance due to its overly presence which outshines the bass and the treble, giving the impression of dryness. (Maybe the meager 128 kbps contribute to this.)

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Jan 30, 2003 at 3:28 PM Post #9 of 16
hey thanks for the infsos
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I was begining to think that I went through all the trouble for nothing...
But I'd like to ask you for just one more favor in case you still have the time: since I see you also have an AKG 501 and since it's on my short list of "to buy" phones, coud you give those tracks a listen with them and tell me your comments?

Thanks again
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Jan 30, 2003 at 4:18 PM Post #10 of 16
Hi darcangelo

I've edited my previous posting in your sense. I think the K 501 suits other music styles better, primarily classical...
 
Jan 30, 2003 at 4:22 PM Post #11 of 16
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Feb 1, 2003 at 7:59 AM Post #14 of 16
Hi Darcangelo...

I'm not in a position to right now, just about to head off to a head-fi mini-meet, but poke me in the ribs later (send me a pm
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Feb 1, 2003 at 7:52 PM Post #15 of 16
I listened to these with my 590s. I think they do well with these selections. I picked out every detail you asked for fairly easily.

In sample one I heard the voices fine, but I think the melody you were talking about was a little to receced (or maybe just too quiet) to really be airy or not to me. If I had to guess, I'd say that it was, but again, it was kind of far back.

In sample two the fading in melody starting at 0:50 was certanly there. It was pretty obvious, but not in your face. The way I think it should be for this kind of music. At the 2:23 mark I'm not sure if I heard what you did. I didn't detect anything 'new' that was particularly low. The new distortion sounds that came in at the mid range were well done as best as I can tell, but the bass-end didn't seem to have any change at the 2:23 mark. It didn't sound like anything was missing though, so either something got entirely left out, or I didn't follow your meaning. I suspect the later.

Sample three was reproduced well. Lesser equipment would likely have reduced it to incohearent distorted drivel. I was able to recognize each sound in its own while still following the core of the song. I think the only harshness was in the sheer mass of the noise comming at me, the sounds them selves were not harsh. If they were, I wouldn't be able to listen to this track at all.

Hey, I like sample 4! This is a very nice diversion from sample three. The water in the beginning is there, but it's pretty quiet, however, it seems to come through at a good level. It's there, but it's not tryng to take anything from anything else. Once the bass beat picks up around :09 it sorta gets drowned out and goes away on it's own around :19 when the guy stars singing. I think the 590's somewhat unique sound stage (in my limited experience anyway) works very well with this sample. It adds a neat feeling to it. I went as far as to search for more of this with kazaa, but found nothing. I'd like to hear more. I found the album, 3D Vision, listed on some database of electronic music I found on google, but I can't even find the CD at half.com or amazon. where did you find it?

Oh, and I also thought I should mention a few things. First of all, I'm still finsihing my system. I need some real ICs, and then I need a new cable for the 590s. They sound like they are holding something back and I suspect that a quality cable will go a long way for them. On the other hand, listening to these samples requires one to use a computer, and I have a much better sound card than most head-fi'ers, since most people here think all sound cards are terrble, period.

 

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