[Sovkiller]

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Originally posted by dcfly It seems that a person could get a fairly good idea of how a certain pair of headphones colors sound if they had a musical instrument that they had played for several years - let's say a piano - and they had a very familiar idea of how that piano sounded in the particular room it was in. This person would also have to be very familiar with his/her microphones and recording equipment and understand the different ways that they may color the sound of the piano being played in that room. This person could then record the piano and evaluate his/her 'phones on well-known playback equipment. It's still not anywhere near perfect, but it would provide a good point of reference. A well-known "outside" recording would not work because we do not know exactly what, say, John Coltrane's saxophone sounded like before being recorded using unknown equipment at such-and-such a time and such-and-such a place.

And this person could only say that: IMO and only for piano this headphone is neutral.....but what about the sound of a drum or a flute, do they will sound the same way, maybe for the frequencies the piano was played, it was neutral, but what about the rest of the spectrum???

 

[Jap]

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Originally posted by sTaTIx If it tastes good, and it isn't poisonous, then sure.

[size=small], says the wicked witch to Snow White, [/size]

 

[KR...]

My view on color is this, 1st we must acknowledge that the idea of a actual neutral component is a fraud and it just doesn't exist. It can come close, but we can never know for sure. What most people think of when they think of neutral sound is a dry, analytical, and cold sound.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally posted by KR... My view on color is this, 1st we must acknowledge that the idea of a actual neutral component is a fraud and it just doesn't exist. It can come close, but we can never know for sure. What most people think of when they think of neutral sound is a dry, analytical, and cold sound.

And maybe this is in fact the real sound, and how the real neutral sound, sounds like, according to Czilla9000, in another thread he stated this, talking about the direct path, and I think he has some ellement to believe that, and I agree in some points with him, I do not hear classical, but the same happen to me, when listening rock or jazz, compared to a live performance or a recording session, this was written regarding some amps, but the same apply to all audio gear in general:

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Originally posted by Czilla9000 "......Amps color the sound - all of the amps I have tryed make the music too smooth and fake. I am sorry - but live music is NOT smooth. My mother works for a very good symphony (the La Times says they are better than the LA Phil sometimes) . Thus, I get to hear lots of live concert music for free. I also get to go to rehearsals. I have heard everything from Beethovens "5th" to R. Strauss's "Life of a Hero" to Dvoraks "New World Symphony" - all live. Anyway - on many occusasion during live concerts I have closed my eyes. I then feel me ears vibrate and remark to myself that if audiophiles ever listened to music this performance and not known it was live they would consider it harsh. The bottom line - live music is harsh, brutal, and un-relentingly taxing on your ears. It is not smooth, wide, or relaxing.

 

[KR...]

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Originally posted by Sovkiller And maybe this is in fact the real sound, and how the real neutral sound, sounds like, according to Czilla9000, in another thread he stated this, talking about the direct path, and I think he has some ellement to believe that, and I agree in some points with him, I do not hear classical, but the same happen to me, when listening rock or jazz, compared to a live performance or a recording session, this was written regarding some amps, but the same apply to all audio gear in general:

Brass is bright! LOL! I used to play. However, is having a neutral system a good thing? I mean your CDs (I say Cds since records are colored, even if they sometimes sound more natural, well only the audiophile pressings anyway) will only sound good if they were recorded that way. Most CD releases are not.

I mean what's the point of having a super neutral system if it makes over 90% of your collection sound like crap?

I think the real question that people must ask themselves is what are they trying to get out of Hi-Fi.

 

[PeterR]

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Originally posted by KR... I mean what's the point of having a super neutral system if it makes over 90% of your collection sound like crap?

The other 10%

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally posted by KR... Brass is bright! LOL! I used to play. However, is having a neutral system a good thing? I mean your CDs (I say Cds since records are colored, even if they sometimes sound more natural, well only the audiophile pressings anyway) will only sound good if they were recorded that way. Most CD releases are not. I mean what's the point of having a super neutral system if it makes over 90% of your collection sound like crap? I think the real question that people must ask themselves is what are they trying to get out of Hi-Fi.

I agree with that 100%, (please KR don't misunderstood me, I just took your post, because it seems to be more related to what I would like to say later) I know that I like colored sound in some way, I even have an EQ home, and I use it , my main speakers, are also studio monitors, that are also extremely flat, and I need to use the EQ to just give them a little life sometimes, and this was one of the main reasons I do not like the Gilmore amp at all, for me it is simply too flat, IMO there is no music on it, just an extremelly detailed amplified sound, for me the CD3000 sounds like a toy and fake out of it, sorry to disagree with the people who like this combination, for me is not "that good" in any way, I even preffer my main speaker amp (just the annoying hiss). I'm just making some fun on the people who are trying to asure their system is "neutral and natural", how do they know that? and what is the use of that, if at the end I won't like the sound I get?

 

[Dusty Chalk]

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Originally posted by andrzejpw So how would one know when rock musics sounds natural?

What I think one should do is use other types of music -- ones that are more famous for being "natural" -- to tune one's system. Then, listen to rock music, and that's what rock music will "naturally" sound like.

 

[markl]

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this was one of the main reasons I do not like the Gilmore amp at all, for me it is simply too flat, IMO there is no music on it, just an extremelly detailed amplified sound, for me the CD3000 sounds like a toy and fake out of it, sorry to disagree with the people who like this combination, for me is not "that good" in any way,

Check out the Emmeline HR-2.

 

[bangraman]

I think most people don't want an uncoloured sound. Gratos are a case in point.

 

[Sentral Dogma]

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Originally posted by KR... I think the real question that people must ask themselves is what are they trying to get out of Hi-Fi.

word.

i want to join Team useless poster. recruiters? hello?

 

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

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Originally posted by KR... I think the real question that people must ask themselves is what are they trying to get out of Hi-Fi.

Yes, and this varies from person to person. As soon as people begin to even understand this concept is when all the arrogance, and stupidity will end, but that will never happen.

 

[andrzejpw]

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Originally posted by Dusty Chalk What I think one should do is use other types of music -- ones that are more famous for being "natural" -- to tune one's system. Then, listen to rock music, and that's what rock music will "naturally" sound like.

Ah, ok. That's in line with my own thinking then. That's the only way that I can figure out a solution as well.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally posted by markl Check out the Emmeline HR-2.

I just get in touch with Ray, a very nice guy indeed, and of course, I will!!! Just that I have another earthly priorities first, some furtniture for the new apartment, as I just moved, I just got yesterday a little better source, (nothing fancy, a Sony CDP CA80ES) and then when everything was settle down, the great Emeline....I hope it won't disapointed me...

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally posted by andrzejpw Ah, ok. That's in line with my own thinking then. That's the only way that I can figure out a solution as well.

Yes, but just keep in mind that the way acoustic music is recorded, or an orchestral music, is not the same way as Rock or Pop is recorded, they use different mics placement different rooms, and different equipment associated, so this may be the best aproximate way, but not the exact right one, which is? I have no idea, I would like to know, but just because a symphony sounds very good on one particular can, it doesn't make it well suited for Rock or Jazz IMPO....